Hey Republicans These Are Your Beloved Reagan's Legacies

[Freeper]

This new DUmmy has been posting a lot, I get the idea that he wants attention from us.

johnlennon_shallrise (68 posts)

Hey Republicans These Are Your Beloved Reagan's Legacies


 
Last edited Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:19 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

I don't know about anyone else on this thread but I am really sick and tired of listening to those who are now in charge of the republican party try to deify this guy. So here are just a few of the FACTS of his presidency for you so that the next time you encounter one of the republican party's sheeple spewing their deification of this guy you can present them with the FACTS as to what exactly took place when number 40 was in the white house.

First of all he ignored the AIDS epidemic for SIX years, following discovery of the first cases in 1981. Reagan would ultimately address the issue of AIDS while president. His remarks came May 31, 1987 (near the end of his second term), at the Third International Conference on AIDS in Washington. When he spoke, 36,058 Americans had been diagnosed with AIDS and 20,849 had died. The disease had spread to 113 countries, with more than 50,000 cases.

Another of Reagan’s enduring legacies is the steep increase in the number of homeless people, which by the late 1980s had swollen to 600,000 on any given night – and 1.2 million over the course of a year. Many were Vietnam veterans, children and laid-off workers.

In early 1984 on Good Morning America, Reagan defended himself against charges of callousness toward the poor in a classic blaming-the-victim statement saying that “people who are sleeping on the grates…the homeless…are homeless, you might say, by choice.”

He encouraged class warfare. He proclaimed that the enemy of the middle class was not the wealthy, but the poor. He LIED about ”fur coat-wearing welfare queens picking up their food stamps in limousines” in order to divide our country.

He was in fact the Republican Party’s father of fiscal irresponsibility, Ronald Reagan made skyrocketing national debt, a dangerously reflexive aversion to taxes and a corrosive distrust of the people’s government a permanent fixture of American politics.

Ronald Reagan made people distrust and actually hate their own government, even when they directly benefited from it every day. ”Government is not a solution to our problem,” Ronald Reagan memorably remarked, “Government is the problem.” Or he put it on another occasion: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.

Let's also not forget that he wasted about $1 trillion on SDI/Star Wars, illegally funded and trained the Contras in the Nicaragua Civil War, during which over 50,000 people died, sent military aid to the Salvadoran Army and security forces during the Salvadoran Civil War, during which over 75,000 people were killed, sponsored the genocide of Mayans in Guatemala, killing over 200,000, reinstated Panama’s dictator Manuel Noriega to the CIA’s payroll, armed Saddam Hussein with biological weapons during the Iran-Iraq war and covertly supported both sides, covertly funded and trained Islamic mujahideen guerrilla fighters in Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion, and invaded Grenada, amongst countless other things.

One of the very first things I remember shaking my head about Ronald Reagan doing was when he reclassified ketchup as a vegetable in school lunches, so that schools didn’t need to serve actual vegetables to meet the nutrition requirements. I know this wasn’t a big life-or-death issue, but to me it spoke volumes about his character.

Even today's Prisons for Profit have their origins in the Reagan years. The modern private prison business first emerged and established itself publicly in 1984 when the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) was awarded a contract to take over a facility in Hamilton County, Tennessee. The prison population exploded in the 1980’s because of the War on Drugs and increased use of incarceration for minor drug offenses. Just like homelessness, Prisons for Profit is just another in the endless list of their beloved Reagan's obscene legacy. And then of course we should not ever forget arms for hostages, no increase in the minimum wage for 10 years, gutting of environmental laws, and so many other things. These are just a few things that their beloved Reagan did. This is the guy that the leaders of today's republican party worship and in fact he did evil, evil things during his presidency and he was a horrible president imho.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251257522

In case you just scrolled down and didn't read it, it is nothing but the same lies and bullshit they have claimed about Reagan for years.

RKP5637 (22,416 posts)
1. He was more akin to a terrorist than a president IMO. n/t

 

Flashmann (1,055 posts)
2. He was a sorry bastard

Despicable.....

It warms my heart that they have such a low opinion of Reagan. It shows me how great he was. If he they hate him he must be good.

xxxsdesdexxx (27 posts)
3. Excellent post

Very good points & factual accounts of history rather than the revisionist history which many Republicans engage in concerning Reagan.

History rewritten by libs.

Joe Bacon (4,797 posts)
4. Karma got President Pruneface in the end.

I always believed that his Alzheimer's was the direct result of Karma coming back to bite him in his wrinkled ass.

Just wait until 0bama gets his karma.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Peace be upon him.

[I_B_Perky]

Let's also not forget that he wasted about $1 trillion on SDI/Star Wars

Well dummie... seems Reagan had a vision. He provided direction and leadership and guess what dummies? We can now shoot down missiles with missiles. See dummies, that is what leaders do. They provide vision, direction and leadership. Like JFK. He said we was gonna go to the moon and we did.

Now let's look at obumbles. All I have seen out of him is blaming someone else for his lack of leadership... well that and people that are rich are eeevil and business owners didn't build that. During obumbles rule, I won't call it administration, his lack of leadership has brought a new phrase that has never been associated with any American president and that phrase is... "Leading from behind.".

Obumbles is a miserable failure. At least FDR understood the danger posed by Nazi Germany and Japan and took action. Obumbles hasn't figured out that Iran and Al Queada are a danger to the USA. If obumbles had been president back when FDR was, we'd all be speaking either German or Japanese and you dummies wouldn't exist. See dummies, the Nazis and Japs had no use for worthless parasites such as yourself. The nazis would not have even tried to get some work out of you in the concentration camps... they would have just sent you straight to the gas chamber.

Obumbles reign will go down in history as worse than Carter.

[Delmar]

One of the very first things I remember shaking my head about Ronald Reagan doing was when he reclassified ketchup as a vegetable in school lunches, so that schools didn’t need to serve actual vegetables to meet the nutrition requirements.

Obama would have to stand on Reggie Love's shoulders to kiss Ronald Reagan's ass.

The Obama administration has made history by presiding over the first-ever downgrade in the U.S. credit rating. President Obama has outdone all his predecessors in wrecking America’s good name. His answer to this problem: Spend even more.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/6/obamas-downgraded-america/#ixzz2DrC1TCqh
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[Chris_]

Let's also not forget that he wasted about $1 trillion on SDI/Star Wars

$1 Trillion over eight years is pittance compared to what Obama spends.

We can't afford another four years, but we're stuck with it anyway.

[Freeper]

$1 Trillion over eight years is pittance compared to what Obama spends.

We can't afford another four years, but we're stuck with it anyway.

Considering we have an annual deficit of $1 trillion plus, I believe it is 1.8 trillion this year, the fact they are bitching about a trillion over 8 years for something that brought the USSR to its knees vs 6 trillion over 4 years with nothing to show, just shows how insane they are.

[I_B_Perky]

$1 Trillion over eight years is pittance compared to what Obama spends.

We can't afford another four years, but we're stuck with it anyway.

At least we got something out of that spending. Chiefly the demise of the USSR. All I see from obumbles spending is a bunch of failed renewable energy companies and a bunch of wasted money on parasites.

[Zeus]

Considering we have an annual deficit of $1 trillion plus, I believe it is 1.8 trillion this year, the fact they are bitching about a trillion over 8 years for something that brought the USSR to its knees vs 6 trillion over 4 years with nothing to show, just shows how insane they are.

[USA4ME]

Pffft!  Whatever, primitive.

Leaders inspire, and that's what Reagan did.  When Carter left office, American's were feeling beaten and downtrodden as though this country had no value.  But through Reagan's optimism and enduring beliefs in what the American people can do when their own gov't left them alone to reach their potential, this country turned around and became great again.  If you libs were too stupid to ride the wave, that's your own fault.

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[Mr Mannn]

Hey libs. All your hate cannot change the fact that America LOVES President Reagan. I remember your dismay and bewilderment when the country mourned his loss.

The truth on display here is DUmmies do not understand Reagan. Everything he stood for is so alien to libs. Reagan was a man who laughed and loved this country. Liberals are people who are threatened by flag pins.

Progressives do not understand Reagan, or conservatives, or even basic economics. If you are going to announce that a man or people are your enemy you need to understand the enemy. But instead of facts you present republicans as some sort of fantasy monster. You cannot wage a war against a myth...

Bottom line. I know who you liberals are. I know how you think. You know nothing about me. In the long run, I will win.

[formerlurker]

First of all he ignored the AIDS epidemic for SIX years, following discovery of the first cases in 1981. Reagan would ultimately address the issue of AIDS while president. His remarks came May 31, 1987 (near the end of his second term), at the Third International Conference on AIDS in Washington. When he spoke, 36,058 Americans had been diagnosed with AIDS and 20,849 had died. The disease had spread to 113 countries, with more than 50,000 cases.

Not quite asshat:

On 17th September 1985 President Reagan publicly mentioned AIDS for the first time, when he was asked about AIDS funding at a press conference.

    “I have been supporting it for more than 4 years now. It's been one of the top priorities with us, and over the last 4 years, and including what we have in the budget for '86, it will amount to over a half a billion dollars that we have provided for research on AIDS in addition to what I'm sure other medical groups are doing”.

http://www.avert.org/aids-history-america.htm#contentTable0

Half a billion, in the 80s.   

For a while the American government completely ignored the emerging AIDS epidemic. In a press briefing at the White House in 1982, a journalist asked a spokesperson for President Reagan “…does the President have any reaction to the announcement – the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, that AIDS is now an epidemic and have over 600 cases?”

600 cases?   Oh gosh golly my.    Let's look at another "epidemic" that is being largely ignored by the CDC and this administration:

Prevalence

    About 1 in 88 children has been identified with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC's Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network. [Read article]
    ASDs are reported to occur in all racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic groups. [Read article]
    ASDs are almost 5 times more common among boys (1 in 54) than among girls (1 in 252). [Read article]
    Studies in Asia, Europe, and North America have identified individuals with an ASD with an average prevalence of about 1%. A recent study in South Korea reported a prevalence of 2.6%. [Data table Adobe PDF file] [Read articleExternal Web Site Icon]
    About 1 in 6 children in the U.S. had a developmental disability in 2006-2008, ranging from mild disabilities such as speech and language impairments to serious developmental disabilities, such as intellectual disabilities, cerebral palsy, and autism.  [Read summary]

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

Oh I know, it's just better detection - overdiagnosis total bullshit spouted by the extremely ignorant.

You can throw out your armchair expertise (my wife, daughter, cousin is an [incompetent] teacher who said... blah blah blah) on why the rate exploded, but let me scare you good misfits.    Let's remove the high function Aspie children from the diagnosis pool and just focus on the children with SEVERE autism.    That number is skyrocketing.    That is not a better diagnosis.   That is not a child who was misdiagnosed before.  That is an epidemic.

In 1990 the autism rates started to soar.  Why?   because that is when vaccines (which are very important - I am not disputing them at all) started to be given with mercury perservatives, and in large numbers.   Dabble in some Hillary Clinton's interference with making vaccines mandatory while providing complete blanket immunity to pharmaceutical companies for making them for the feds and you have an epidemic on your hands.

Friday there was a Congressional Hearing on autism.    90% of the Congressmen there were Republicans by the way.   What a powerful 3+ hours.    It was a start to get this matter addressed (why the hell is this happening?  maybe we should pull back on 6-9 shots at a doctor's visit as there seems to be a whole lot of children who are being neurologically affected by this), but autism will never get the attention of the Democrats that AIDS has.

Why?  because autism affects everyone - every socio-economic subgroup.   Perhaps if it only affected gay children, or children of gay couples Congress would care and actually address the problem.   

[franksolich]

The legacy of Ronald Reagan I remember the most was that as the Reagan-Bush prosperity went on and on for twelve years, my own income and standard of living kept on getting better and better.

It stalled after 1993, and sort of took off again okay after 2001, but has been downhill ever since, oh, about January 3, 2007.

[NHSparky]

$1 Trillion over eight years is pittance compared to what Obama spends.

We can't afford another four years, but we're stuck with it anyway.

$1T would be larger than Reagan's largest total federal budget.  And for FY 82-89, total DoD expenditures was just a RCH over $2T, so I'd LOVE to know how over 50 percent of DoD budget those eight years went for just one program.

Really DUmmies, at least TRY to use facts and logic when you make a point, won't you?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Do you s'pose they wanna talk about LBJ's Great Society?

First, I'm calling bullshit on your $1 trillion claim. Assuming your claiming the nealry 3 decades we've been developing missile defense that's $33 billion/year. If you're trying to make us believe we spent $125 billion-plus during Reagan's administration you've mistaken your drug tab for SDI.

Second, missile defense has been policy for nearly 30 years and today we can shoot down missiles.

Now, let's talk about the Great Society.

That has a $16 trillion tab and that is verifiable. Coincidentally, we have a $16 trillion debt. And since we've paid all this money into poverty programs we have -- more poverty! More single parent households. More disease (like AIDS). More crime. More lost productivity.

More democrats.

But that was always the objective, then; wasn't it?

$16 trillion to buy a political majority too ****ing stupid and lazy to amount to anything even once they've won.

bravo

[franksolich]

Now, let's talk about the Great Society.

That has a $16 trillion tab and that is verifiable. Coincidentally, we have a $16 trillion debt. And since we've paid all this money into poverty programs we have -- more poverty! More single parent households. More disease (like AIDS). More crime. More lost productivity.

More democrats.

But that was always the objective, then; wasn't it?

$16 trillion to buy a political majority too ****ing stupid and lazy to amount to anything even once they've won.

Ah yes, the famous War on Poverty; that endless war, that hopeless quagmire with no light at the end of the tunnel; the longest war in the history of this country.

[Dori]

Another of Reagan’s enduring legacies is the steep increase in the number of homeless people, which by the late 1980s had swollen to 600,000 on any given night – and 1.2 million over the course of a year. Many were Vietnam veterans, children and laid-off workers.

What a crock.  The majority of those came from the deinstitutionalization of mental patients (can't hold people against their will)....in the late '70's (Carter).  

In early 1984 on Good Morning America, Reagan defended himself against charges of callousness toward the poor in a classic blaming-the-victim statement saying that “people who are sleeping on the grates…the homeless…are homeless, you might say, by choice.”

Absolutely correct.  I worked in Downtown L.A. for years and saw many homeless.  The majority are alcoholic and/or have blown their brains out with drugs. L.A. has lots of services for the homeless, but they would rather live on the street and do their thang.

He encouraged class warfare. He proclaimed that the enemy of the middle class was not the wealthy, but the poor. He LIED about ”fur coat-wearing welfare queens picking up their food stamps in limousines” in order to divide our country.

Reagan was correct.  Anyone in the system that's honest will tell you how corrupt the system is, and the government encourages it.

For an eye opener, try reading this....."Pimps, Ho's and Welfare Brats: From Welfare Cheat to Conservative Messenger"

http://www.amazon.com/Pimps-Whores-Welfare-Brats-Conservative/dp/0671534661

[jukin]

Reagan spent $1 trillion and brought the USSR to it's knees and 0bama has borrowed $6.7 trillion bringing the USA to it's knees.

[franksolich]

What a crock.  The majority of those came from the deinstitutionalization of mental patients (can't hold people against their will)....in the late '70's (Carter).

Yeah, I'm pretty tired of that old chestnut myself.

The number of homeless visibly increased during the early 1980s because Reagan's predecessor had ordered the gats of the nuthouses to be opened, and their inmates let loose, so as to "mainstream" them back into society. 

Absolutely correct.  I worked in Downtown L.A. for years and saw many homeless.  The majority are alcoholic and/or have blown their brains out with drugs. L.A. has lots of services for the homeless, but they would rather live on the street and do their thang.

A big mistake of Reagan's, who agreed to "reform" of social security in exchange for something else he wanted (I forget what it was he wanted, but it was pretty important to him)--people "too depressed" to work, and the homeless, became eligible for the disability gravy train.

As we now know, and have known for several years now, many of the homeless collect their checks at the post office and do only God knows what with it, and still live on the streets.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Reagan spent $1 trillion and brought the USSR to it's knees and 0bama has borrowed $6.7 trillion bringing the USA to it's knees.

heh

[Wineslob]

johnlennon_shallrise

Sorry mang, he's still dead.