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babylonsister (141,083 posts)
Remove Hate Radio from our Armed Forces Radio
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eomer (2,919 posts)
11. There isn't a freedom of speech issue; it's a service of DoD, they already control the programming.
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The Department of Defense controls the programming that will be delivered. They already choose to omit an extremely wide range of speech. For example, you're not going to hear on Armed Forces Radio any programs produced by the Communist Party. Nor any programs that are of or for the LGBTQ community. Their offerings obviously already apply a filter that reflects just the content that they (the DoD) want to deliver.
So now we, the people, want to change to some extent the filter that our government is already applying. We want a filter that rejects hate speech coming from a particular minority.
If DUmbasses could.
lpbk2713 (22,008 posts)
2. They forfeit their right to free speech with their hate and lies.
They cross the line with no fear of recrimination. They know they are doing wrong
and they just dare us to do something about it. The time has come to act.
Lying hater.
eomer (2,919 posts)
17. If freedom of speech applies to Armed Forces Radio then what time is the Communist Party program on?
Obviously freedom of speech does not require Armed Forces Radio to carry every viewpoint. They already apply a filter, this is just a discussion about a fine-grained detail of that filter.
It's amazing how rules that don't even exist come out of the woodwork when something is proposed that's not in line with the far right wing. For many decades a right wing filter has been applied on Armed Forces Radio, a filter that is significantly to the right of the position of the people of the country. Now when the people push back and want the filter to better reflect their values, a bogus rule that doesn't even make sense is marched out to illogically tell us we can't exercise control when control has always been exercised in the past.
hack89 (16,532 posts)
4. Why not remove all politically themed programs?
since it is clear those simple child like soldiers don't the ability to think for themselves and know right from wrong - of.course we must protect them from themselves.
babylonsister (141,083 posts)
6. That's not the point. This all apparently started when
Limbaugh called that Georgetown student a slut. From VoteVets...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0308/Does-Rush-Limbaugh-belong-on-armed-forces-radio-Criticism-mounts
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An organization of some 100,000 US military veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, VoteVets.org, is also circulating a petition calling for the removal of Limbaugh’s show from the US military’s network, and signatures on it are growing everyday, says Maj. Jon Soltz, the chairman of VoteVets.org.
There are currently more than 11,000 military veterans and family members who have signed the petition.
In denigrating the student, who testified [No, she didn't. Liar --Sgt SB] on Capitol Hill in favor of health-care coverage of birth control, Limbaugh “is commenting not on an individual, but on all women,†says Major Soltz, who returned from his second tour of duty in Iraq in December. “The government shouldn’t be promoting the type of content that essentially disrespects all women in the military who use contraception.â€
Veterans say they do not have any objection to the Armed Forces Network, known as AFN, carrying conservative radio commentators – the network carries Bill O’Reilly for example.
“I totally believe in people’s freedom of speech,†explains veteran tech Sgt. Jennifer Norris, who served in the Maine Air National Guard from 1996 to 2008. “But when it comes to calling someone you don’t even know a slut, it feeds into the misogynistic attitude towards women – and it hurts our cause.â€
So why not demand Ed "Laura Ingraham is a slut" Schultz be removed?
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I thought so.
eomer (2,919 posts)
26. The general public can listen to Democracy Now!, so should the military. How about Al Jazeera?
In fact, all the programs that are on Pacifica Radio (which the general public can listen to) would be great programming for the military to listen to, much better than Rush.
hack89 (16,532 posts)
30. They do get to listen to Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz
and no ones is stopping them from listening to Democracy Now! and Pacifica Radio - they have access to all that programing via the internet.
eomer (2,919 posts)
39. So take Rush off Armed Forces Radio - they can listen to it via the Internet. (eom)
TRANSLATION: **** the facts, just give me what I want.
babylonsister (141,083 posts)
33. And the balance of her quote?
I can see how Limbaugh could be considered dangerous if his attitude and talk encourage action among some of the soldiers.
“But when it comes to calling someone you don’t even know a slut, it feeds into the misogynistic attitude towards women – and it hurts our cause.â€
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/14/culture-coverup-rape-ranks-us-military
A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military
For men, combat experience is the leading cause of PTSD. For women, it's sexual assault. This is the real 'war on women'
Naomi Wolf
What the **** does that even mean?
Sandra Slut was never sexually assaulted.
Anyone spending $3,000 a month on birth control doesn't have enough room in her vagina left over for a rapist to get a penis in edgewise.
jsr (1,190 posts)
5. Letting Rush Limbaugh indoctrinate young soldiers with his anti-government trash
is just plain stupid.
I love how they re-label shit.
former-republican (717 posts)
12. why not indoctrinate them with Only Pro government radio
jsr (1,190 posts)
13. Soldiers work for the government
McDonald's would never let their TVs broadcast anti-McDonald's drivel on a daily basis.
former-republican (717 posts)
16. Since we all belong to the government
We should never allow anti government broadcasts.
It should be imprisonment for the offender.
Bigmack (6,125 posts)
20. One more thing to think about....
The military is very "chain of command" oriented.
The President is Commander in Chief.... Head Dude... Top General... HMFIC..
If Rush.. or anybody... verbally attacks the CinC, he should be removed from AFR.
You DU'ers posting about "Free Speech" must not have been in the military. "Free Speech" does not exist in the military.
**** you and your half-wit usurper.
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HopeHoops (42,432 posts)
21. I've owned RushOffAFN.com for a while now but haven't done anything with it.
Jessy169 (387 posts)
40. As a nation, we should draw a line at for-profit hate speech
There have been plenty of debates on DU about first amendment rights, free speech and hate speech. A few of those debates have been started by me. We ALL support the current level of free speech enjoyed by Americans. But at the same time, we have to consider the undeniable fact that well-financed and organized "hate speech" is not only extremely damaging and dangerous to us all, it is also one of the ultimately "useful" tools of those who seek to manipulate and control large segments of our population, and not for altruistic reasons. We can ALL enjoy our current level of free speech -- including the right to spew out our own little vindictive and often-times justified hate speech -- but draw a line at organized and for-profit hate speech. Our nation and our world -- and our armed services -- would be significantly better off if we could just shut down all the dedicated for-profit haters who hide behind the first amendment to spread their brands of hate -- and we could do it without inhibiting any individual's right of free speech, except the "right" to make money doing it. I hope that day will soon come.
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