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cali (74,744 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:39 AMI am not celebrating President Obama's victory.Why? Because it's way too early, that's why. There's still slightly over a month to go and anything can happen. The media will almost certainly build Mitt up again. The race will very likely narrow. Romney may pull ahead. Voter suppression is ongoing. Voter intimidation will happen on an extensive scale. Republican Secretaries of State are not to be trusted with the vote count. The Debates. The economy. Foreign affairs. October surprises. I'll celebrate if the President is re-elected. Until then, I remain cautiously optimistic.
graham4anything (524 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:11 AM2. Please don't be timid-- shout it loud- OBAMA is reelected and we can take back the house!!!because you are using the reverse logic, and Karl Rove knows that quite well. A winner talks like a winner A loser is timid and afraid to be a winner In this case, bravado in advance can up the win Obama will get. Pile it on, shout it out. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH VOTERS TO HAVE A LANDSLIDE VICTORY. We have every single demographic group but the measley one group(those Rush Limbaugh angry white older men). There are NOT enough voters in the world for Herr Mittens to win. Bravado will lead to MORE votes for President Obama and more democrat senators and congressmen and will run up the score The more Mitt is said to be a hopeless loser, the LESS people will vote for him and not only that, all his money people will disappear, not wanting to waste millions on a losing cause. President Obama has the ability to win states not even thought of in play. Mittens is at the point where even if he wins all those states he is close in(which are fewer and fewer, he is below the 270 needed, so Obama wins even if those states he don't. And stop worrying about 2012 thefts. Why? Because the people that do the thefts are Bush people, and Jeb is running in 2016, not now. Jeb needs Mitt and Ryan to be badly humiliated, so he can come along and say he is a sane republican. As such the theft machine won't operate this time, and besides, everyone is watching. President Obama's major fans will wait 10 hours and move heaven and earth to vote. They are not cut and runners who will give up. They will come out, they will vote. And most of the new attempts at laws are being turned back (and PA will most likely end up ruling it don't apply in 2012). BESIDES- all is being done in those states to see that everyone has a voter ID card and or will sign an affadavit and have their vote count. But President Obama is going to win a landslide so big that it will overshadow any voter that cannot vote(two others will vote instead.) And remember, not all voters that don't have id are Obama voters. (same with the Mitt line 47%, alot of those voters are Mitt's deranged voters. And keep in mind there are almost zero undecided voters now. This election is over. Now let's run up the score as America likes a winner and like the years have shown, people all over say they are Dallas Cowboy or Miami Dolphin fans or NY Yankee fans to be part of a winning team, not the losing team. (dang, I am a NY Met and Jet fan, destined to not side with the winning sport team LOL). As an example- It's the fourth quarter, the score is 40 to 0, but let's see if we can't get it to 60 to 0. (see-if we get that those extra 20, even if they got the extra 20, we would still win by 20) btw-in 2004, John Kerry was just about never in the lead, and the timid Dems blew any chance at all at so many times (picking the wrong vp for instance, and timidly allowing Dan Rather to be thrown aside in a character asssassanation where never once was the info he said proven to be wrong.(It was 100% true). And Kerry was unloved by most democrats, the way Mitt is hated by just about everyone in his own party(let alone ours). Major differences. And Dems being mute on traitor Nader allowed it to be close. Without Nader, Gore won NH and the election and Florida didn't matter, but NOOOOOOOOOOO, Gore couldn't ask Bill to help him, heaven forbid(whereas Bill would have won a 3rd term that year if allowed), and Democrats mostly did not say peep when Nader lied and the nation died. Thankfully 2012 is like 1964 and not 2000 or 2004. 1964, Obama=LBJ, and a landslide victory against Mitt=Goldwater, one of the worst defeats of all time by rightwing republicantealibertarian parties. Remember 1964. That is what 2012 is. WE WON shout it from the roof and pile it on to take back the house. It can happen if we are not timid.
cali (74,744 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:18 AM3. Sorry I don't believe in delusional politicshey, bravado is working so well for the wingnuts. NOT. As things stand now, I believe all indications are that the President will be re-elected, but that doesn't mean it's a done thing. Furthermore, we have almost no chance of taking back the house. It's very unlikely to happen and our timidity or bravado has nothing to do with it.
graham4anything (524 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:39 AM12. boy, you sound like Bob Shrumeeek. a wave election brings in the house as people vote straight democrat the public knows why obstruction happened. Shout it from the rooftop, don't be embarrassed by your candidate and your party. The democrats lost in 2000 and 2004 by being timid and in 2010 by having a thought that they were not going to win. John Kerry sucked as a candidate. NO it was not stolen in 2004, HE LOST. The day he picked John Edwards, he himself knew he would not win(look in his eyes that day, he knew he lost). (and Edwards was a fraud anyhow). Al Gore's team did not project that they won. Had the perception been louder yelled in 2000, he might have prevailed. Had Al Gore yelled out that Ralph Nader was full of shit, he would have won NH and the election and no one needed Florida. Had Al Gore picked Bob Graham(or John Kerry done so in 2008) they would have won Florida easily. Had Al Gore used Bill Clinton, the way Barack Obama is doing, they might have won Arkansas or Tennessee. Looking backward and worrying about theft is a waste of time. The thieves are not out there in 2012. The election is a landslide of 1964 proportion.Were you around in 1964 to remember it, or look back on it? That is what 2012 is. Same thing now as then. The radical right took over the party and the party was over for them. Same thing for the republicantealibertarians now. Start worrying about 2016 and Jeb vs. Hillary. That is where we need to focus on. It's the 4th quarter and now is 54 to 0. Maybe they will score a touchdown, but then its 54 to 7. We already won. And we need to pile it on to win the house. Saying one isn't going to win the house is defeatist. Howard Dean proved what one can do if one attempts it. (Sorry he wasn't the vessel that sailed forth in 2004 as he would have won had he survived the faux scream thing.) Because Dean like Obama now, had the fire in the belly. Now get off the floor get up and brag that this race is over, and let's pile it on them to win the house. IT IS WITHIN OUR GRASP if we are not timid. And there are alot of lifetime republicans in the house that will surprisingly be retired come January.
CrispyQ (14,478 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:17 AM9. Celebratory posts are irresponsible & should be deleted.
graham4anything (524 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:31 AM10. a democrat believing in censorship? How horrible.even the AP called the race this morning, and you don't get more corporate rightwing than the AP this race is over stick a fork in Mitt, he and his party are so over, so 1855. Why are you embarrassed by your party and candidate?
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graham4anything (524 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:11 AM16. ad hominem me, ooh how adultOBAMA WON, LET'S YELL IT FROM THE ROOFTOP obama won obama won obama won obama won obama won
Safetykitten (3,391 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:36 AM 24. I do.
graham4anything (524 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:39 AM25. You are predicting Mitt will win?then why not go to his website and yell it from the rooftop? only republican that scares me is Jeb. and he isn't running til next time. And Hillary45 will anhiliate him, like her husband42 did to his father41 in 1992.
cali (74,744 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:39 AMI am not celebrating President Obama's victory.Why?Because it's way too early, that's why.<snipped>
It's a further lowering of expectations ahead of the first debate in Denver next week. Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse tells Fox News he thinks Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney will win.Woodhouse says the way the DNC sees it, challengers win the first debate when they are up against incumbents."Mitt Romney has had a lot more time to debate, the president has not debated in the past four years in terms, of a campaign debate. I think the president will hold his own, but he's not known for sound bites. And these are 60 second, 90 second responses."-continued at the link-
"The nation that couldn’t be conquered by foreign enemies has been conquered by its elected officials" odawg Free Republic in reference to the GOP Elites who are no difference than the Democrats
And Hillary45 will anhiliate him, like her husband42 did to his father41 in 1992.
I hope we did not have many Dem's get off the sofa and vote early before all recent current events in the world.
Heck, we probably had alot of Dems voting from their cemetery plot and prison cells.
It is rather interesting how personally the Dems & MSM are taking it that not everyone believes the race is over.
