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Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« on: August 18, 2012, 06:41:59 AM »
I'm wondering about this, too.  The DHS numbers are pretty big.

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Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

Published: 9:40 AM 08/17/2012

By Major General Jerry Curry, USA (Ret.)
 
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.  No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
 
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
 
All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea
War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
 
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets.  These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.

The rest is at: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/#ixzz23tghvId2

MG Curry raises some good questions.
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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 07:47:37 AM »
you can probably find the answers you are looking for in this thread

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,76722.0.html
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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 08:18:52 AM »
you can probably find the answers you are looking for in this thread

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,76722.0.html

My post was the second-to-last in that one.
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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 09:03:12 AM »
I'm wondering about this, too.  The DHS numbers are pretty big.

The rest is at: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/#ixzz23tghvId2

MG Curry raises some good questions.

I call "bullshit" on this retired general.   :bs:

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The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.  

The ammunition will be shipped to SSA Office of Inspector General/Office of Investigations (OIG/OI) offices, located at SSA regional and field offices. Nothing sinister there.

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No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest.

The pistol ammunition will be used for practice, qualification, and duty use by the 300 commissioned Federal law enforcement officers of the SSA OIG/OI. No one at the Social Security Administration has stated nor implied that this ammunition procurement is intended for use in "emergency to counteract and control civil unrest", so the statement "we are led to believe" cannot mean "The SSA told us".  Who, precisely, led this retired general to such a belief, and why does he think the source is credible?

Pistols would not be the logical first choice for use of deadly force in response to civil unrest; if the SSA was actually worried about riots at their offices, they would order large quantities of .223 and 12ga ammo. Remember the principle of fire superiority, "don't bring a pistol to a gunfight".

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Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

Bullets are lethal. Every time a law enforcement officer pulls the trigger in the line of duty, it must be with the clear understanding that someone or something will die. The officer's intent is to immediately incapacitate that someone or something, but the officer's foreknowledge is that death is the expected end state. Hollow point ammunition expands inside the body, transferring energy and disrupting major organs and tissue systems, with the intent to instantly incapacitate, and to reduce the likelihood of overpenetrating and injuring or killing an innocent person downrange.

Do I really need to go on?

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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 10:38:55 AM »
I call "bullshit" on this retired general.   :bs:
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Do I really need to go on?



I think you covered it perfectly but, you are spoiling their fun. Nothing like a good conspiracy theory.

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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 12:14:59 PM »
I think you covered it perfectly but, you are spoiling their fun. Nothing like a good conspiracy theory.

I dont think you can spoil their fun, the more you disprove a conspiracy theory the crazier the theory gets.
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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 12:55:37 PM »
I hope the "who" is a "what", libs.
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