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"Your opinions on health care reform, taxes, and even the president’s dog come down to racial bias"

It All Comes Down to Race
Your opinions on health care reform, taxes, and even the president’s dog come down to racial bias.

By Sasha Issenberg

 

The wishful scenario many Republicans envisioned after Barack Obama’s change of heart this month on gay marriage—the president’s African-American base, far less supportive of expanding marriage than other parts of his coalition, becomes demobilized or even defects as a result of Obama’s stance—already seems unlikely to be realized. Last Thursday, Public Policy Polling revealed a 36-point swing in black support for gay marriage among Maryland voters, who will have the chance to legalize the practice in a November referendum, since PPP’s last poll on the subject in March. Then, 56 percent had been opposed to the new marriage law and 39 percent supported it. In May, PPP found the numbers nearly reversed: 55 percent supported, and 36 opposed. By all indications, black voters weren’t abandoning Obama over an issue on which they disagreed, but adjusting their opinions to match his.
That notion—that our views toward Obama are stable and everything else is changing around them—has been at the core of Michael Tesler’s groundbreaking survey research throughout the Obama era. Last week, as PPP tracked opinion in Maryland, the Brown University political scientist was reviewing his own national polls conducted since Obama’s switch, which helped moor the movement on gay marriage in a broader, deeper set of attitudes. Not only was Obama’s support pulling blacks toward his position, it was also pushing a segment of whites whom Tesler categorized as “racial conservatives” away from his position. In other words, Obama had such sway over race-conscious voters that they adjusted their positions on gay marriage because of him.

If Tesler was surprised by this, it was only because he believed views on gay marriage would be some of the most stable in politics, deeply anchored in moral values. Since 2009, Tesler has been chronicling what he calls the “racialization” of issues in the Obama era—the extent to which public opinion on topics unrelated to race have taken on a racial cast as Obama has staked out positions on them. Tesler has used polling experiments to identify a series of issues that have become enmeshed in complicated racial attitudes by dint of Obama’s association with them: health care reform, taxes, the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. Even Bo Obama fell into this matrix; racists looked less favorably on a picture of the president’s dog when they learned the identity of his owner. That part, too, surprised Tesler. “I thought people would have stronger views about dogs than politics,” he said.

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Even presidential pets were viewed through the same lens. Tesler showed 1,000 YouGov respondents a picture of a Portuguese water dog and asked how favorably they felt toward it. Half saw the dog introduced as Bo Obama, and half as Ted Kennedy’s dog, Splash. (Both political dogs are the same breed, but the picture was of Obama’s.) Those with negative feelings toward blacks thought less of Obama’s dog.
The latest issue to fall into this pattern is gay marriage, although PPP’s Maryland findings seem to confirm that racialization can work in multiple directions. Tesler has repeatedly found that the polarization he has documented is partly a function of the voters he describes as “racial liberals”—those who score low on the resentment battery, a category that includes blacks and progressive whites—being more likely to support a policy when they learn that Obama does, too.

That’s one reason why Tesler, who does not hide his Obama sympathies, was cheered by the White House’s recent decision to embrace the epithet “Obamacare” in campaign-season communications, after years of dismissing the term. “I think health care is forevermore ‘Obamacare,’ ” Tesler said last month on the sidelines of the Midwestern Political Science Association conference in Chicago, a few blocks from Obama’s campaign headquarters. Voters who were against Obamacare opposed it for such deeply ingrained reasons that no number of ads about the bill’s provisions could change their minds, Tesler believed, but Obama had yet to benefit from racialized attitudes on the issue spilling over his way. “Why not try to get the mojo going for their side, too? People who are against it are against it. You might as well use it to motivate your side.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/victory_lab/2012/06/racicalization_michael_tesler_s_theory_that_all_political_positions_come_down_to_racial_bias_.html?tid=sm_tw_button_chunky

This article belongs in mind numbing stupidity. If I read this crap correctly they are claiming that conservatives hate his dog because he is the dog of a black man.  :banghead:

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a segment of whites whom Tesler categorized as “racial conservatives” away from his position. In other words, Obama had such sway over race-conscious voters that they adjusted their positions on gay marriage because of him.

Wait are they claiming that whites are against gay marriage just because the black president is now in favor of it?  :banghead:

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Voters who were against Obamacare opposed it for such deeply ingrained reasons that no number of ads about the bill’s provisions could change their minds

My deeply ingrained reasons for being against 0bamacare is because it is a big government program with so many surprises in it, no one can keep up. It will actually force prices for health care up. No matter how much spin that comes from the left will change that fact.

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2. Every time someone is surprised by the depth of racism in America, I'm surprised.

I see more racism coming from blacks and the left than I see from conservatives.


My head hurts after reading this shit.  :banghead:
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They have so diluted the meaning of the word racist to the point that it means nothing anymore.

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They have so diluted the meaning of the word racist to the point that it means nothing anymore.

Yeah they have, I was a racist for supporting Herman Cain, I would have been racist for not supporting him. I'm a racist for not supporting 0bama, if you believe that then you have to believe that if he was white I would be fine with his policies.  :banghead:

I swear MLK is rolling in his grave, he didn't want this shit, he wanted everyone to judge each other on character, not on skin color.  :banghead:
I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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They have so diluted the meaning of the word racist to the point that it means nothing anymore.

I think they still have a very hard and fast definition.

If you're white, you're a racist.

If you're black, you cannot be a racist, unless of course you are a repuke.

All repukes, regardless of color, are racist.

It's pretty simple.

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They have so diluted the meaning of the word racist to the point that it means nothing anymore.

It's so true.

Racism was being thrown around when Walker won in WI.  I am almost positive Barrett is a white guy too.
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It's so true.

Racism was being thrown around when Walker won in WI.  I am almost positive Barrett is a white guy too.

Well - OBVIOUSLY Walker is the whiter white guy, and his racial contempt for the not-as-white white guy Barrett was plain to see. Duh !?! 

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Well - OBVIOUSLY Walker is the whiter white guy, and his racial contempt for the not-as-white white guy Barrett was plain to see. Duh !?! 
So how would the New Jersey Tanning Mom fit into that scenario?

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By all indications, black voters weren’t abandoning Obama over an issue on which they disagreed, but adjusting their opinions to match his.

Thankfully, this can't be a racist position...   ::) ::)
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I feel sorry for the dog living in the White House.  Obama only got the dog as a photo op, then had the asshattery gall to name it after himself.  There is no way I would believe the dog was named Bo purely by coincidence. I would bet that at times "friends" of Obama have called him Bo..   Short for body odor.

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In other news (P)resident owebuma says the private economy is doing "Just Fine". That will most likely bring disagreement and accusations of racism, but will these so called racists hate owebuma's white half, his black half, or the whole of his policies ?
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In other news (P)resident owebuma says the private economy is doing "Just Fine". That will most likely bring disagreement and accusations of racism, but will these so called racists hate owebuma's white half, his black half, or the whole of his policies ?

Chris Rock called Obama a zebra.  I hate his zebra half too.
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Chris Rock called Obama a zebra.  I hate his zebra half too.

Considering Obama's recent embracing of ghey marriage, if he is a zebra, he would be like this one.


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By all indications, black voters weren’t abandoning Obama over an issue on which they disagreed, but adjusting their opinions to match his.

If this is in fact true, then it's a horrible testimony of blacks in general,  IOW, they'll voluntarily give up their moral convictions on a particular issue in order to have the same opinion as a politician they admire (for whatever reason).  I can't think of a single time I've ever liked a politician so much I was willing to abandon my own conclusions in order to have the same as them.

It seems in liberal/progressive circles, conforming to the convictions of another because of who they are is something to be admired.

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If this is in fact true, then it's a horrible testimony of blacks in general,  IOW, they'll voluntarily give up their moral convictions on a particular issue in order to have the same opinion as a politician they admire (for whatever reason).  I can't think of a single time I've ever liked a politician so much I was willing to abandon my own conclusions in order to have the same as them.

It seems in liberal/progressive circles, conforming to the convictions of another because of who they are is something to be admired.

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They have so diluted the meaning of the word racist to the point that it means nothing anymore.
Hi5 for being the first to say it.

The accusation of racist used to be effective, but no longer. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears this November.

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That’s one reason why Tesler, who does not hide his Obama sympathies, was cheered by the White House’s recent decision to embrace the epithet “Obamacare” in campaign-season communications, after years of dismissing the term. “I think health care is forevermore ‘Obamacare,’ ” Tesler said last month on the sidelines of the Midwestern Political Science Association conference in Chicago, a few blocks from Obama’s campaign headquarters. Voters who were against Obamacare opposed it for such deeply ingrained reasons that no number of ads about the bill’s provisions could change their minds, Tesler believed, but Obama had yet to benefit from racialized attitudes on the issue spilling over his way. “Why not try to get the mojo going for their side, too? People who are against it are against it. You might as well use it to motivate your side.”


This paragraph jumped out at me. "Obamacare" is more unpoular now than it ever was with the American people. You can call it chicken salad, and they'd still hate it.
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That’s one reason why Tesler, who does not hide his Obama sympathies, was cheered by the White House’s recent decision to embrace the epithet “Obamacare” in campaign-season communications, after years of dismissing the term. “I think health care is forevermore ‘Obamacare,’ ” Tesler said last month on the sidelines of the Midwestern Political Science Association conference in Chicago, a few blocks from Obama’s campaign headquarters. Voters who were against Obamacare opposed it for such deeply ingrained reasons that no number of ads about the bill’s provisions could change their minds, Tesler believed, but Obama had yet to benefit from racialized attitudes on the issue spilling over his way. “Why not try to get the mojo going for their side, too? People who are against it are against it. You might as well use it to motivate your side.”



This paragraph jumped out at me. "Obamacare" is more unpopular now than it ever was with the American people. You can call it chicken salad, and they'd still hate it.
I remember pundits lauding the bravery of Democrat politicians who forced an income tax on a state that had none. The state didn't need it. Other taxes were not lowered because of it. The people hated it, were 80% against it. But the rats were so brave for imposing an unpopular.

This is the entire democrat leadership philosophy in a nutshell. They know better than the people. They are the elite. So shut up and accept their tyranny.

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I remember pundits lauding the bravery of Democrat politicians who forced an income tax on a state that had none. The state didn't need it. Other taxes were not lowered because of it. The people hated it, were 80% against it. But the rats were so brave for imposing an unpopular.

This is the entire democrat leadership philosophy in a nutshell. They know better than the people. They are the elite. So shut up and accept their tyranny.

It's rapidly coming to the point where the people are going to tell the elite:  TYRANNY THIS!    :killemall:
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Healthcare Reform would have been way cooler if Dennis Kiucinich had passed it!

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RE: Gobucks pic.   Please stop posting pictures of dwarves.  For God's sake, what was she thinking.

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RE: Gobucks pic.   Please stop posting pictures of dwarves.  For God's sake, what was she thinking.

That picture is evidence that The Great Gazoo possesses mind control powers.

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RE: Gobucks pic.   Please stop posting pictures of dwarves.  For God's sake, what was she thinking.

This should answer your question:
http://pardonthepundit.com/?ID=117

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This should answer your question:
http://pardonthepundit.com/?ID=117
  Thanks, I hadn't seen that site before.