nadin talks about Zimmy

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002600477

Oh my.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

On Zimmy's statement to the court

It reveals the underside of the culture. When he said, "I thought Trayvon was slightly younger than me, and did not know if he was armed," he revealed a dirty secret for all those who carry concealed.

If you carry concealed, and you are a cop and you assume everybody you come in contact with you is armed... potentially, well that is training and it makes some sense. In training they are told assume everybody could be a danger to you. Treat all like the Mayor, but be on your guard.

But if you are a civilian and you carry concealed you start thinking everybody you meet is armed... that is when things get out of whack since you do not have the training a police officer should have. You may know in theory, perhaps, what the escalation of force matrix is.. but in reality you really do not, nor are trained to do silly shit like follow up, and things like that.

But think about it... if you are armed... stands to reason everybody else is. This is a hell of a cultural imperative which destroys all sense of potential community.

Yes, that is a problem... a serious problem. But this has been bugging me, what all this carry concealed is doing. One stat I heard over the weekend, and no, have not bothered to confirm it, but if even close, points to this problem even better. If you go to a theater in the state of Florida to watch a movie, an average sized theater, and it is full... twenty of your fellow theater goers ARE indeed packing.

Now let's assume for a second this is the case... and this stat is correct... think about that for a second. A place that I go for entertainment, might become the Hollywood version of Dodge City on the drop of a dime. Hell, at least to me it makes going to the theater less than appealing at this point.

And this is what it is doing to society, we are becoming paranoid... and it is not really paranoia. The person in front of you at the supermarket might be packing... that will go a long way to create community, really.

Why his statement really bugged me... divide and conquer has taken on a new dangerous turn.

No point in bringing over any other primitives' comments.  I'll stick with nadin.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

2. Yeah I know...

and this has other dangers too... we are, I have said it before, in the middle of a cold civil war.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. Oh I expect it.

I used to carry a rescue knife everywhere I went to as a paramedic... since I used it in well Rescue... it was a long blade, we still have it. It is dang useful when we go hiking.

I get a police officer packing all the time.

A FEW CCW holders have more than enough reason to not just qualify but pack at all times... but the number of these issued is well above actual need.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

13. Agreed, I think they opened a few holes

since his statements are NOT consistent with what he told the cops that night. Or for that matter the tapes

That said, I am taking his statements as to what they reveal about the culture, and not the holes opened in the case.

If I am packing, I am going to assume so are you.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

19. Absolutely

why cops are trained, but most folks packing otherwise are not.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

10. They can and they do

very rarely, more rarely than the guns save lives crew will admit. I will hazard to say my rescue knife saved a few more. Oh and it is a deadly weapon as well if you wanted to use it that way.

Fantasize much, nadin, dear?

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

11. What is funny is that this drug, and yes it is a drug, it is an adrenalin high

looses it's appeal if you have been in a few life or death situations, as in the real deal.

At least for most people I know it does. Incidentally at least for me, media generated fear is funny to me at this point.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

15. Yup, I have heard this

NRA material. And societies have controlled access to state of the art weaponry for different reasons across the ages....which also defeats that one. This includes the historical Dodge City by the way.,

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spin (12,579 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

16. Strange. I have a Concealed Weapons Permit and I don't think that everybody I see is armed.

From your post, I suspect that you are the person suffering from paranoia.

Yes, that is a problem... a serious problem. But this has been bugging me, what all this carry concealed is doing. One stat I heard over the weekend, and no, have not bothered to confirm it, but if even close, points to this problem even better. If you go to a theater in the state of Florida to watch a movie, an average sized theater, and it is full... twenty of your fellow theater goers ARE indeed packing.

Now let's assume for a second this is the case... and this stat is correct... think about that for a second. A place that I go for entertainment, might become the Hollywood version of Dodge City on the drop of a dime. Hell, at least to me it makes going to the theater less than appealing at this point.

And this is what it is doing to society, we are becoming paranoid... and it is not really paranoia. The person in front of you at the supermarket might be packing... that will go a long way to create community, really.

How many reports have you read in the news of a theater in Florida suddenly erupting in gunfire? What's the big deal about being in line at a grocery store behind a person with a legally concealed weapon? If the weapon is properly concealed you should have no reason to suspect that the other shopper is armed.

I wonder if it is only you who is running around thinking everybody near you is armed.

Calm down. While it is true that over 800,000 Floridians currently have concealed weapons permits, only 168 carry permits have been revoked since 1987 for the commission of a crime involving the use of a firearm. (source http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.pdf) Not all those "crimes" involved a shooting.

Realistically your chances of getting shot by an individual who has a Florida Concealed Carry license is far less than your chances of getting hit by lightning.

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

18. And per schedule HI

I am not paranoid, at all. But if you want to live in a society where everybody is armed, let's stop the pretension, let's pass laws where ALL citizens over 18 are FORCED to carry. That would be an ideal society. For the record one town actually passed a law to this effect a few years back. Some folks moved out of the town. No, they did not force people to carry, but they were told you live here, you need to own a firearm.

I prefer to live in a society, and thankfully I live closer to that ideal, where you do not need to fear people packing that much.

There are SOME CCW permits that are not just justified but needed, and if you have received a bona fide death treat, by all means you quality. But most CCW permits are not even close to that standard. If you have a bona fide and PROVABLE fear for your life... by all means. As in current threat, not possible threat, not playing hero or wanting to either.

If you are an active law enforcement officer, or a retired one, by all means. There are more than just valid reasons.

If you do not meet either of those standards... yup it is ridiculous.

And for the record ONCE I could have qualified for one... as in a real life possible threat... I CHOSE to decline it.

zappaman (4,549 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

22. Just curious, since you are an ex-cop.

Can you get a license to carry?

Does it matter what state you are in?

As an ex-cop, do you think of everyone as armed?

When you were a cop, did you have that mindset?

Just curious since I don't know any ex-cops...

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nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

26. Neither am I, but I do not live in a state where my chances that a perfect stranger is packing is actually higher than being hit by lightning. No, you cannot make the argument you made given the number of CCWs issued in YOUR STATE.

Nor do I intend to move to one either. And those stories can be countered by situations like George Zimmernan, who was mind you a law abiding citizen, and who WOULD HAVE LOST HIS CCW in MY STATE, the first time he got a restraining order.

That IS rational.

But really, these situations are extremely rare as in so rare, that indeed lighting does come to mind.

Now once again, if you have had a real threat to your life, by all means. If not, you really do not need a CCW... and in a MORE RATIONAL SOCIETY where the NRA did not have the pull it has, you would not. Nor would you feel you need to pack.

Oh and I am willing to bet I have used my first aid skills far more often than you have your side arm... and in two cases it may have saved somebody's life, the fact that I knew something about that. One was CPR, the other was the Heimlich maneuver...

I consider EMT or First Aid training far more valuable. Sorry if that bugs you.

And yes my dear, I was told by an FBI agent that he highly recommended I did get a gun, training and a CCW due to some of the real life characters I did transport... as in they had actionable intelligence that this may be advisable.

I chose to take my chances... and I thanked the agents for their very real, as in very real concerns. Perhaps this is the case since I KNOW for real what bullets do to people when entering a body at high rates of speed... and cavitation and follow through are NOT theory. Hell, we have guns these days... and I am the worst shot you could ever meet. We concluded it is because of that little factoid. Yup, this is a round target, not even a humanoid form... and I still cannot bring myself to do it.

By the way that is the kind of situation where a CCW makes sense, as long as that threat is actionable, not a second after.

[obumazombie]

^Can anyone supply the cliff notes ?

[franksolich]

^Can anyone supply the cliff notes ?

Uh, that is the Cliff's Notes.

[Kyle Ricky]

The more that ugly troll talks, the more I think she needs slapped. God, what a tool.

[franksolich]

The more that ugly troll talks, the more I think she needs slapped. God, what a tool.

Funny you should mention that.

[Skul]

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. Oh I expect it.

I used to carry a rescue knife everywhere I went to as a paramedic... since I used it in well Rescue Did it fall up?... it was a long blade, we still have it. It is dang useful when we go hiking.

I get a police officer packing all the time. The dog cocks it head and laughs.

A FEW CCW holders have more than enough reason to not just qualify but pack at all times... but the number of these issued is well above actual need.

Please, please, please, don't let Nads get banned.
Never ending comedy from the expert on everything.  

[Kyle Ricky]

Funny you should mention that.

She obviously has no life and thinks she is so much cooler online. In real life, no one would listen to her stupidity.

[GOBUCKS]

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts)

I will hazard to say my rescue knife saved a few more. Oh and it is a deadly weapon as well if you wanted to use it that way.

Nutcase nadin's knife would be a deadly weapon only if she managed to hit the femoral artery.

She couldn't reach any vital organs.

[Evil_Conservative]

As a gun owner, I don't give a shit if the person attacking me has a gun or fists.  I'm shooting him/her.  Don't attack me and you won't leave in a body bag.  According to Nadin, if someone is attacking me, it's okay for them to do so and I can't shoot them... unless they attacker also has a gun.  That totally makes sense. 

[Evil_Conservative]

If you go to a theater in the state of Florida to watch a movie, an average sized theater, and it is full... twenty of your fellow theater goers ARE indeed packing.

Come to any local's casino in Las Vegas and I bet 95% are packing.  The other 5% are tourists who decided to do some exploring off The Strip area.

[Evil_Conservative]

The person in front of you at the supermarket might be packing... that will go a long way to create community, really.

That's me.  And I do it openly.  No one has ever complained about it.  The employees are always friendly, smiling and willing to help me still.  People behind me keep their opinions to themselves if they have a problem with it.  There is never a DU bouncy that comes from it.

My husband was "confronted" at Walmart when he first got his gun.  He didn't have his CCW permit yet and was open carrying.  He has a .357 big evil black gun.  Some woman in line said something like, "Why you got a gun?"  My husband ignored her, he doesn't have to answer to her.  Then she went on to say, "Imma go home and get my gat since we all think it's okay to carry guns." 

[Airwolf]

**** em. They don't have to carry nor do they have to open their pie holes to say anything about it. Almost if not all states that allow CCW make you go through classes to get that licence and I'm betting that anyone in Nadinobrains state that has one is safer then she is with her drivers licence and her 2000+lbs vehicle on any given day. Just to get a permit to carry i had to have three days of instruction and a day on the range to prove I could handle a handgun. All Nads had to do to get her drivers licence was to take a test and maybe drive around town. Hardly the same amount of effort since shes as dense as a black hole in space.

[whiteguyPI]

F U Nads...I do have a bona fide threat every day that I walk out my door. You know from whom...Obama's sons that's who. Since your know-it-all ass can't tell me exactly what day an Obama son will try to take what I've worked so hard to earn for myself, I think I will contine to carry my equalizer. Suck on that ya scrunt!

[Tucker]

Funny you should mention that.

Danny Devito as the Penguin

nadinbrzezinski (104,428 posts)

 The person in front of you at the supermarket might be packing.

If you thought this, it would be a good reason to be civil and polite.

An armed society is a polite society.

[Skul]

Danny Devito as the Penguin


If you thought this, it would be a good reason to be civil and polite.

An armed society is a polite society.

                                 


H5 for that.

[franksolich]

**** em. They don't have to carry nor do they have to open their pie holes to say anything about it. Almost if not all states that allow CCW make you go through classes to get that licence and I'm betting that anyone in Nadinobrains state that has one is safer then she is with her drivers licence and her 2000+lbs vehicle on any given day. Just to get a permit to carry i had to have three days of instruction and a day on the range to prove I could handle a handgun. All Nads had to do to get her drivers licence was to take a test and maybe drive around town. Hardly the same amount of effort since shes as dense as a black hole in space.

I dunno if you're familiar with this part of Nebraska, sir--the northeastern quarter, towards the west, on the edge going into the Sandhills--but if you are, you know we got damned fine friendly folk up here.

In this county, there hasn't been a murder since 1907 or something, and the next county over, since 1898.

Other sorts of crime are pretty rare too.

In my county, franksolich is probably the only adult male who doesn't carry a firearm, concealed or unconcealed.  I don't need to.  Everybody else being armed, I'm better protected from harm than if I had .88 mm cannon and big artillery guns mounted on this property.

An armed society is a polite society.  We're very polite up here.    

[formerlurker]

^Can anyone supply the cliff notes ?