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DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« on: April 28, 2012, 06:46:21 AM »
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Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
Say you "knew" (believed) in your heart that the accused was guilty...

Would you LIE about your objectivity during voir dire and say you had an objective opinion about the case you were asked to judge?

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Yes 4 (4%)

No   80 (90%)

Depends  5 (6%)

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Kennah (4,923 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. I suspect I am more likely to be on the opposite end of things.

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If my one experience called for jury duty is the norm for me, then I suspect I am more likely to conclude the accused is innocent.

In truth, I cannot imagine that I would conclude during voir dire that the accused was either innocent or guilty.

With that said, it is possible I could have hang ups with the charges themselves--like drug possession.

Why am I not shocked.

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MrSlayer (18,205 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. I've lied to get out of it.

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But I never knew what the cases were beforehand, that's why they make you fill out the questionnaire before you do anything. But if I did know ahead of time what case I was going to be assigned to I might lie to get on it. It would depend on the case.

A fine example of DUmmy integrity.

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24. My public defender friend gets pissed when he hears of me or our friends...

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...talking about "getting out of" jury duty. He says it's too often the right-wing law and order types who show.

We do our duty.

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brewens (1,817 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Depends. I've been on them before and through selection a few times. One question

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I was asked was, had I ever been accused of a crime I didn't commit? Not exactly, but I have been accused of a few things I didn't do. A couple of time on the job. I assume the prosecutor asked that to weed out people that know what that is like. Once you have been in that position, if you're smart you understand a few things others don't. I was in a position where being accused and innocent, I could understand how they would think it was me.

I know I would be fair but more likely to demand a higher standard of proof that a lot of other people. My fairness would likely seem stubborn to someone willing to convict on shaky evidence. I can see lying in some cases to be the right thing to do.

This DUmbass found a home.

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slackmaster (52,613 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. No, not ever. I would never lie to anyone for any reason. Rec for great topic.

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22. Liar

This reply drew an alert.

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30. Jury is back

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

personal attack

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:23 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: I have to agree with the alerter as long as the accuser has nothing to back up the allegation. HIDE IT

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: if you read it it is part of a 3 post back and forth between 2 duers neither of whom seems to feel attacked in fact it looks like they are having fun.is this alerted because they wont let you play too?just more waste of time serial alerting.honest to god it should be a death penalty on du to abuse the alert system this way.how do i send this alert to mirt?<verdict by swampg8r>

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Nope, not a personal attack.

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Personal attack? What is this, the ghost of Lozo? The TOPIC is about lying. Leave it.

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It is a joke

Have a great weekend,
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hunter (13,419 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. I've never been seated on a jury...

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I show up, but they send me on my way, sometime the defense, sometimes the prosecution.

Come on now, I'm not that strange.

I speak English, I wear adequate and socially acceptable coverings, I bathe regularly, my parents assure me I was born on Earth, and my documents are in order.

What sort of jurors are they looking for?

Anyone but you.

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alfredo (43,442 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. Complete honesty will keep you off juries.

Where do they get their sense of justice?

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40. YES, of course! (But not in your hypothetical)

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This is a basic moral question, as far as I am concerned.

Of course one should not lie about their objectivity on a particular case, as in the OP hypothetical, because that robs the defendant of his/her constitutional protections.

But there are cases where I would lie to be on a jury... when I objected to the LAW being enforced.

Jury nullification is an important part of the system.

The exclusion of jurors who intend to nullify the law is also robbing the defendant of an implicit protection.

For instance, nobody who refuses to issue a death sentence is allowed on a capital jury. That is insane. A meaningful jury of your peers is not a jury with pre-selected views on the propriety of the laws you are charged under!

I would lie about that.

A drug possession case? An obscenity case? Yes, I would lie to get on those juries and would refuse to convict.

How about a state that criminalized abortion? I would surely lie to get on that jury!

Unbelievable.

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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 06:57:54 AM »
Would DUmmies lie?  :thatsright: oxymoron...

YES!



This statement of obvious truth was brought to you as a public service for the DUmmies who lurk...
One think we know about you guys is: DUmmies lie, all the time.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2012, 07:36:17 AM »
How would the DUmmie OP know if the person was guilty before they hear all of the evidence?
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2012, 07:39:50 AM »
Quote from: BEG on April 28, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
How would the DUmmie OP know if the person was guilty before they hear all of the evidence?

Easy if the defendant is white or rich and white, guilty, if the defendant is black, or any race and poor, innocent.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2012, 07:41:31 AM »
Quote from: BEG on April 28, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
How would the DUmmie OP know if the person was guilty before they hear all of the evidence?

My dad was in the jury pool for an accused child molester's trial, and he told the judge and attorneys that as far as he was concerned, most children wouldn't have a reason to lie about being molested, so they would have to prove the child's guilt as liar for him to convict the suspect.  He was excused.

I've never been in a jury, and I would actually like to be (Just not a 7 week murder trial which was the last jury pool I was involved one).  
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 07:51:00 AM »
They often seem to post about how terrible it is to be on jury service. I've only been summoned once and genuinely could not attend (summons was for my home address, I was sitting university exams 500 miles away), but I see it as an essential part of our justice system...and so would be proud to assist in the functioning of it.

Guess that this is why I'm a selfish conservative and they're community minded liberals...
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2012, 09:07:28 AM »
The answer to any "Would you lie to ..." is always YES!!!1111!!elebenty for DUchebags, always.  80 of them lied in the poll and 4 moles lied too.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 09:12:14 AM »
Quote from: Freeper on April 28, 2012, 07:39:50 AM
Easy if the defendant is white or rich and white, guilty, if the defendant is black, or any race and poor, innocent.

This. ^5
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 09:33:25 AM »
I served on a jury once, Heroin dealer this kid was early twenties and came into the court room wearing jeans halfway down his ass, sneakers untied and a hooded sweatshirt. 

After the initial formalities in front of the judge he proceeded to put his head down on the table and not pay attention for the rest of the trial.  The only supporters he had in the courtroom were his lawyer.  We deliberated for about three minutes and after looking at the evidence which was some little cellophane bags with Red lips imprinted on the outside, a powder inside, video and numerous law enforcement officials involved in the bust. 

Guilty. 

After the verdict we were sent back to the jury room where the judge came in and thanked us for our service and time and then said that this was not the first, second or third time this individual has been in his courtroom. When asked what the punishment would be he said that we could go to the audience side of the court to hear.  I decide to salvage the remainder of the day and go home but I always wondered if it was another slap on the wrist. 

The upside to serving is that you are free and clear for three years in Massachusetts.

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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 09:37:39 AM »
I served on the jury one time also. It was a battery case where a guy beat someone with a baseball bat. On the way out of the preliminary hearing, I shouted: "He is guilty". Three days later I got a letter saying that he copped a deal and the trial will not proceed. You can tell by looking at some people whether they are guilty or not.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 09:39:16 AM »
A good lib never lets the truth get in the way of the agenda.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 09:40:49 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on April 28, 2012, 09:37:39 AM
I served on the jury one time also. It was a battery case where a guy beat someone with a baseball bat. On the way out of the preliminary hearing, I shouted: "He is guilty". Three days later I got a letter saying that he copped a deal and the trial will not proceed. You can tell by looking at some people whether they are guilty or not.
Has anyone ever gotten a good look at you ? Between our two posts one is tongue in cheek for certain.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2012, 09:47:52 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on April 28, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
A good lib never lets the truth get in the way of the agenda.

This is quite true.

Quote from: obumazombie on April 28, 2012, 09:40:49 AM
Has anyone ever gotten a good look at you ? Between our two posts one is tongue in cheek for certain.

Yup  :-)
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2012, 10:17:02 AM »
You get a PM saying you've been selected, you read the post and what the alerter said. DUmp juries are simple, and it's entertaining when you're the deciding vote.

I know people who claim to have lied to NOT be seated on a real world jury.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 10:31:27 AM »
Of course they would lie -

They are primitives. Its what they do.
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Re: DUmmies and jury duty- Would you LIE in order to be seated on a jury?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 01:16:16 PM »
Quote from: BEG on April 28, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
How would the DUmmie OP know if the person was guilty before they hear all of the evidence?

Call me crazy but I think the OP was meant to call DUmmies out for their rush to judgment and calls for blood in the Zimmerman case.
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