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10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« on: May 08, 2008, 06:31:18 PM »
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OhioChick  (1000+ posts)      Thu May-08-08 12:17 PM
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10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
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Atlanta, Ga. 5/08/2008 02:10 PM GMT (FINDITT - Top Story)

Police in Idaho have arrested a suspected illegal immigrant and charged him with raping a 10-year-old girl who later gave birth.

Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez, 37 was arrested by St. Anthony, Idaho police after medical officials notified authorities of a young girl who was pregnant on April 28. Police arrested Gutierrez-Juarez that day following several witnesses coming forward and providing information.

The 10-year-old girl reportedly gave birth about two weeks ago at Madison Memorial Hospital but there have been no details about the baby or the mother.

Gutierrez-Juarez has been charged with one count of rape and is currently in jail with bail set at $250,000. Investigators have not ruled out additional rape charges against the man.





Read more: http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=45940&c...


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How awful....she's just a child herself.


 and bets on how bad this is going to get?

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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 12:20 PM
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1. Yes, these crimes are also committed by legal residents & and citizens of the US 
 Edited on Thu May-08-08 12:20 PM by Mike Daniels
That said, if he's found guilty deport his ass as soon as he's done his time.


off to a good start...

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neoteric lefty (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 01:15 PM
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14. tell me...how him being undocumented has anything to do with thus crime he is accused of committing. We can play this game all day long. IF he had never be conceived, then this little girl would have not been raped. If he had moved to California instead of Georgia, then this little girl would have not been raped. If he was shot in the head by a racist bigot 2 weeks prior, then this little girl would have not been raped. There are an infinite scenarios where this girl would have not been raped, but sadly, she was. We, as a society, must find the person(s) responsible for this crime, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law.


logic arguements by DUmmies never really make sense.

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treestar  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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20. Disregard for the immigration laws does not mean disregard of
 the criminal law.
In fact, it rarely does.
That this guy is illegal is irrelevant.
One wonders if this is even true. It is such an obvious anti-immigrant hit piece. If the guy did such a horrible thing, his immigration status would be way down on the list of concerns.


And now, they question the story. Is treestar a social laywer with a degree in psycology?

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Dogtown  (84 posts)      Thu May-08-08 01:39 PM
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15. *Supposing* he's guilty
 and we have NO way of knowing that at this time,
you could be right, but then some other child in another country would have been raped.

That doesn't resolve the issue, and racism is the motivator for such comments, and for this being Front Page News.

If he'd had a green card, they just would have given his name w/o the "suspected illegal immigrant" epithet, leaving you to assume he was illegal and judge him for both crimes before he is tried.

Pretty easy. DNA test.

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struggle4progress  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 03:25 PM
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31. Yes, and if all the Caucasians would go back to Europe, they wouldn't be raping folk here either


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TheWraith (1000+ posts)      Thu May-08-08 12:27 PM
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5. Are there any other sources on this?
 I have a hard time believing that a 10 year old could actually sustain a pregnancy long enough to give birth. 


hitler called this the Big Lie approach.

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MessiahRp  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 02:15 PM
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19. I've heard anti-abortion fundies say this before...
 If a girl is raped, they should not consider their pregnancy a tragedy and terminate it, they should consider it a blessing from god and keep the baby...

So according to their logic this girl is blessed. Even though she's probably not even in middle school yet.

Rp


And they call this Justification.

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kskiska  (1000+ posts)      Thu May-08-08 05:27 PM
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56. It sure is - Suppose the girl is an illegal, too?
 No mention of that. It's become de rigeur for Repugs to scout out crimes committed by illegals. Why was this girl forced to carry a rapist's fetus to term and give birth (by Caesarian section) at the age of 10?


rationalization of the crime. The Right-wing FORCED her to have the baby.

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SunDrop23  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 03:39 PM
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37. OK...question...who in THE HELL allows their 10 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER to carry a child to term?
 And the product of a rape at that?
And what parent is so out of touch with their 10 year old daughter that they somehow don't know she's pregnant?

Well I guess this is a win for the 'pro-life' crowd...


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OKthatsIT  (1000+ posts)     Thu May-08-08 07:13 PM
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61. WAIT for the DNA test. It could be the girl's relative, in hiding
 Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:15 PM by OKthatsIT
Could be a evil government operative...who told the girl what to say and what to do...remember, Boys Town? Remember Lawrence King?

Wonder if she'll end up in foster care?


****. maybe it's Cheney's baby! Sick freaks.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 06:33:59 PM »
Anything but the truth. Idjits.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 06:53:00 PM »
As the story would appear in the Skin's Island Jungle Gazette:

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Atlanta, Ga. 5/08/2008 02:10 PM GMT (FINDITT - Top Story)

Authority figures in Idaho have denied a man his freedom and charged him with improper conduct (they say rape) towards a 10-year-old girl who later gave birth.

The victim of the authority figures, 37, was denied his freedom by St. Anthony, Idaho authority figures after medical officials notified authorities of a young girl who was pregnant on April 28.   Impetuous authority figures imprisoned their victim that day following several unnamed busy bodies coming forward and providing specious information.

The 10-year-old girl reportedly (unconfirmed) gave birth about two weeks ago at Madison Memorial Hospital but there have been no details about the baby or the mother, lead most to believe the story is a lie.

The man has been charged with one count of alledged rape and is currently in jail with bail set at $250,000. Investigators have not ruled out additional alledged rape charges against the man.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 07:09:47 PM »
Just raping and impregnating the prepubescent girls that Americans won't.

Fry his ass, then deport it.  Think of the freight charge savings.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 07:43:43 PM »
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neoteric lefty (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 01:15 PM
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14. tell me...how him being undocumented has anything to do with thus crime he is accused of committing. We can play this game all day long. IF he had never be conceived, then this little girl would have not been raped. If he had moved to California instead of Georgia, then this little girl would have not been raped. If he was shot in the head by a racist bigot 2 weeks prior, then this little girl would have not been raped. There are an infinite scenarios where this girl would have not been raped, but sadly, she was. We, as a society, must find the person(s) responsible for this crime, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law.


treestar  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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20. Disregard for the immigration laws does not mean disregard of
 the criminal law.
In fact, it rarely does.
That this guy is illegal is irrelevant.
One wonders if this is even true. It is such an obvious anti-immigrant hit piece. If the guy did such a horrible thing, his immigration status would be way down on the list of concerns.

Sorry DUmbasses, but it's perfectly legitimate to include in the story the fact that he's broken other laws as well as the most heinous one being reported. I know how hearing the whole truth chaps your collective asses most of the time, but there it is.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 11:28:10 PM »
My daughter is 11. 

I am in favor of repealing the 8th amendment in cases like this.  This is where we should encourage unique and creative thinking.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 05:15:18 AM »
They can't bring themselves to pass judgement on the man.  That means they would have to condemn their friend Bernie Ward at KGO in San Francisco as well.


Bernie Ward Pleads Guilty to Child Pornography.  Complaints Date Back to Priesthood.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=6130909
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 07:11:36 AM »
They just can't stand it when someone tags a criminal as and illegal alien but Lord help the reporter who doesn't put a big (R) behind the name of any conservative that might be guilty of a crime.

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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 10:35:28 AM »
1. If our immigration laws and border were enforced  and protected this little girl would not have been raped by this man.

2. That is all.
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 03:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on May 08, 2008, 11:28:10 PM
My daughter is 11. 

I am in favor of repealing the 8th amendment in cases like this.  This is where we should encourage unique and creative thinking.

I'll assume without looking it up that's "cruel and unusual punishment," and I'm totally with you.

I read what I'm reading not believing I'm reading it...that as far as DUmpland is concerned, the horror of this is all about RACISM!

A grown man f*cked a little girl and got her pregnant. Isn't that horror enough for them?

And if the news blares it out that he also happens to be illegal (i.e., we failed at keeping his sick ass out of this country in the first place), it's anti-immigration? WTF is WRONG with these people? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: 10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 04:44:02 PM »
This was one of those threads at the DUmp that I couldn't finish. BP was off the charts. :banghead:
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