primitives blue about Missouri

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002321161

Oh my.

Redstate Bluegirl (190 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

Will Missouri go Blue?

My home state went very narrowly for McCain last time. But I think Obama has an excellent chance of carrying it this year. They don't call it the "Show Me" state for nothing, and Romney hasn't shown ANYTHING to make righties motivate their asses to the polls in Nov!

Art_from_Ark (13,639 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

2. If St. Louis, Kansas City and Columbia can overcome the rest of the state then Missouri might go blue. When all is said and done, I think that the southern part of the state will still go for the Republican nominee, regardless of his closeted skeletons.

In other words, if the corrupt Democrat machines that run St. Louis and Kansas City can create enough "votes" out of thin air, yeah, sure.

Tx4obama (17,059 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

3. If enough people come out and VOTE for the Democrats then it will go blue ...

same goes with all of the other states

protect our future (811 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. MO is no longer considered a swing state. Well, that's BS.

In '08 Obama lost here by less than one percent. That works out to one vote per precinct if I'm not mistaken.

BUT PERHAPS OBAMA ACTUALLY WON IN MISSOURI. We'll never know because, although the results qualified for a recount, the votes were not recounted because by then Obama had won the election.

And no one made a stink about what happened in Kansas City. See, in KC, when the polls opened in the early morning, it was discovered that some of the ledgers (or whatever you call them, with the voter rolls) had been delivered to the wrong precincts. It was rectified 1-1/2 hours to 2 hours later, and supposedly no votes were lost ... but I cannot believe that. Depended on how many precincts had the balls to make a written record of the voters that were present, to be straightened out later. Depended on how many voters, in all the confusion, left without voting due to work requirements. And was anyone at all voting while the books were being collected from the wrong precincts and delivered to the right ones? We'll never know.

MO has a Dem governor and a Dem AG although the state legislature is solid red. KC, St. Louis, Columbia, and a couple of other little areas can make the state go blue, and this sometimes happens. We have a recently-elected Dem US Senator who may lose her seat this time ... but she's smart, and things could turn around. Oh, to top it all off, there's a one percenter (named Rex Sinquefield) who has gotten garbage put on the ballot which, if passed (it didn't), could have destroyed Kansas City. He's at it again, I hear.

I have heard the Democratic Party is not going to put money into the effort here since the state is supposedly solid red. If true, too bad. I think that's not very wise. Maybe they are cowed by the fact that in Jefferson City, our capitol, cross-hairs were placed on the doors of several female Dems.

The Genealogist (964 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. A view from Springfield, MO

I don't think Missouri will go blue anytime soon. I think it is getting more conservative every year. I know I am sitting in the heart of red Missouri here, but overall, I think Missouri is getting redder and redder. I know Obama did pretty well here for a Dem in 2008, but considering Obama won INDIANA that year and a vote from NEBRASKA, I think the good numbers Obama got here were due to a very blue year. Obama will do fairly well in KC and St Louis, and maybe Columbia, but that is about it. I guess if the Repukes screw things up bad enough, it could flip. But it is going to take something that makes the clown car antics to date look downright sane and civil. It would take AMAZING turnout, I think, to flip Missouri blue. I do hate to see the dems just write off the state. I know they have to be careful about where they spend their cash, but it would be nice to put a little attention on Missouri.

protect our future (811 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

6. Glad to have your input!

What is happening in your part of the state to make you say it's getting more conservative? Local media, radio stations, ltte's, other sources of news seeming to be more conservative and redder? Any info you could add about this could give us a handle on what to do to change things.

I'm encouraged by the nationwide grumbling about Blunt's sponsorship of the "birth control is a sin" amendment and hope the grumbling turns into a roar. That could help us bigtime.

And don't throw in the towel just yet. The final clown from the clown car will be up against a master strategist and the rest of the genius "chess players" who might make 2012 another national blue year.

archiemo (259 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

7. Good example...Hartzler defeats Skelton

I live in rural Cass County (just south of the KC metro) and witnessed a religious, conservative-puppet for the RNC, defeat a very moderate, pro-military, voted against Obama's healthcare act, Democrat in Ike Skelton in 2010. He had the seat for decades and won with strong margins every year until that happened. Was also endorsed by the NRA.

I've received one mailer from Hartzler since she's taken office that was supposed to highlight the great legislative efforts she's put forward since taking office. There were three. Each and everyone were related to guns.

Art_from_Ark (13,639 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. Springfield, in Greene County, is super conservative

They don't vote Democratic. Its Congressional district (7th, SW Missouri) has had a Republican representative since 1961! That's even longer than Arkansas' 3rd district (1967)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri's_7th_congressional_district

During the 2008 election, the only county in the 7th district that had more than 40% of the vote go to Obama was Greene County-- at 41%! Every other county was around 30% for Obama.

I'd feel blue about Missouri too, if I were a primitive.

[Karin]

Tx4obama (17,059 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

3. If enough people come out and VOTE for the Democrats then it will go blue ...

same goes with all of the other states

Oh my God!  You're so smart! 

[NHSparky]

Looking at the potential opponents versus Claire McCaskill, it would seem her hitching her hopes to Obama's star isn't a wise decision.

She leads NONE of the potential opponents, and that's using the rather liberal PPP polling data.  If you're an incumbent whose approval hovers around 40 percent, start updating your resume.

[marv]

A red or blue Missouri will hinge on Republican enthusiasm in November.

[miskie]

A red or blue Missouri will hinge on Republican enthusiasm in November.

I don't think its going be be a matter of enthusiasm for the Republican candidate that will result in victories, but a desire to remove the current administration. The way its going, my wienerdog will be able to beat Obama by November.

[BlueStateSaint]

I don't think its going be be a matter of enthusiasm for the Republican candidate that will result in victories, but a desire to remove the current administration. The way its going, my wienerdog will be able to beat Obama by November.

Absolutely.  It's getting to the point that ABBO is a winning strategy.

[franksolich]

Looking at the potential opponents versus Claire McCaskill, it would seem her hitching her hopes to Obama's star isn't a wise decision.

I haven't read anything about her potential opponents, and am wondering who they might be.

I'm still very much ticked off that the Democrat machine in St. Louis, after all the votes were counted in her senatorial race, managed to create enough votes out of thin air that she "won."

Again, my insistence that in order to have honest elections, all precincts in a state should be required to report their votes at exactly the same moment; none of this the corrupt places waiting until the honest places have reported stuff.

[Gina]

Oh my God!  You're so smart! 

   that's exactly my first thought 

[miskie]

Oh my God!  You're so smart! 

[marv]

I don't think its going be be a matter of enthusiasm for the Republican candidate that will result in victories, but a desire to remove the current administration. The way its going, my wienerdog will be able to beat Obama by November.

Absolutely.  It's getting to the point that ABBO is a winning strategy.

What I mean is that I think a disproportionate amount of time has been spent attacking one another other - sometimes viciously - instead of  attacking Obama on foreign and domestic policies, corruption, the economy, etc.

[franksolich]

What I mean is that I think a disproportionate amount of time has been spent attacking one another other - sometimes viciously - instead of  attacking Obama on foreign and domestic policies, corruption, the economy, etc.

That's very true.  And remember, I'm a professional Republican, who's generally satisfied.

However, it's been disheartening, seeing all our candidates go after each other, instead of the Magic One.

If I were chairman of the National Republican Committee, I would've called them all in for a meeting, saying, "Hey, guys, quit beating up on each other, and beat up instead on our opponent.....and may the one who does the best beating-up win the nomination....."

It would've been delightful to watch, their different techniques and styles of beating up on the Magic One, and probably yes, the one most likely to win in November would be the one deemed the best at beating up.

[TVDOC]

There isn't a snowballs chance in hell of Missouri turning blue this fall........ain't gonna happen.......not since ObamaCare.

ObamaCare was placed on the ballot in 2010, and the state chose to "opt out" by a 71% to 29% margin.  Folks here are fuming about each new revelation that comes out about it.  The latest of which pissed off the Catholics, which were a substantial Dem voting block here......

The Democrat machine votes in St. Louis have been effectively neutralized by new voting laws, and a severe purge of the registration rolls that happened after the 2008 presidential election (over 500,000 "voters" were cast off of the lists).....Additionally there are STILL FBI agents assigned to every urban precinct in St. Louis on election day to prevent the problems that occurred in 2004 with the St. Louis polls being held open for an extra two hours.

The Dem representative in the St. Louis (city) district is losing his seat through redistricting, and the surrounding county is very red, and able to overwhelm the urban black city vote.

The illegal aliens have quietly departed over the past four years, since it became illegal for any employer to hire anyone that was not demonstrably a US citizen.......strangely they largely migrated to Kansas and Nebraska......

With the DNC removing funding from all MO candidates this fall, McCaskell is toast.......as is likely our Dem governor, however, he's a  "Blue Dog", and really hasn't bucked the strongly Republican majority on both houses of our legislature.  Our legislature is in the process of passing a "Right to Work" law in Missouri, and although it will likely pass with a veto-proof majority, Gov. Nixon has hinted privately that he will sign it.  It's already illegal for state employees to be forced to join a union (thanks to our previous governor).

In short DUmmies.......there is a reason that the national Dems aren't spending a dime here on this election......they're smarter than you.......Missouri is a lost cause for Dems......

doc

[Eupher]

As usual, TVDOC's done a great analysis on some of the recent history (past 8 years or so) of political happenings here in MO. I'm not going to offer anything to this discussion that hasn't already been said, except on the grassroots level and based on what I've witnessed, the Dems are screwed.

I say that despite the fact that I tend to do my music-making with dyed-in-the-wool moonbat Dems who, curiously enough, have stayed remarkably quiet about recent events like Obamacare, McCaskill's unbelievable performance in abusing her power as senator, and those things that doc has mentioned.

In my own congressional district, the 9th, in the 2008 election, Judy Baker (D) had her ass handed to her by Republican Blaine Luetkemeyer, this despite the fact that there was a Libertarian candidate that garnered 2.5% of the vote. Obviously, most if not all of those votes would've gone to Blaine had the Libertarian candidate not been there. Baker is running for Lieutenant Governor, which tells me that she knows to stay the hell out of the 9th District because Luetkemeyer is very, very popular here with most folks I've talked to other than the teachers and musicians that Mrs E hangs out with. (Due to redistricting, Leutkemeyer will go to another district if he's reelected, so Baker may just want to stay out of that whole mess anyway, but despite that I think it's telling that she does not want to dip her toe into waters that do not favor her.)

The 9th district currently has sizable moonbat liberal presence, especially in Columbia. That place is a freaking hellhole of liberal mania. Back when the weather was nice, the Occupoopers were camped out on city hall's doorstep which was a comedic scene all by itself -- a single tent attempting to stay upright in the wind while pitched on concrete.

But all that said, doc is absolutely right. Obamacare pissed off a helluva lot of people and they are seething. And they've not even seen the full impact of that legislation. But most everybody I know who isn't a screaming liberal is determined to see that shit go away, along with the idiot and empty suit that made it happen.

Looking forward to hearing what DAT has to say on this....

[BattleHymn]

Redstate Bluegirl (190 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

Will Missouri go Blue?

My home state went very narrowly for McCain last time. But I think Obama has an excellent chance of carrying it this year. They don't call it the "Show Me" state for nothing, and Romney hasn't shown ANYTHING to make righties motivate their asses to the polls in Nov!

To borrow a phrase from my brother-in-law, "are you high?" 

[TVDOC]

To borrow a phrase from my brother-in-law, "are you high?" 

That pretty much sums it up nicely......

Looks like the DUmmies are (figuratively) flailing around in the water surrounding the RMS Titanic, trying to grab anything that they think will float.....

doc

[DumbAss Tanker]

No matter who the GOP nominee is, every Conservative who is even faintly interested in politics should be turning out to throw the Queen Obamabot, McCaskill, out on her ass.  The only reason she got elected in the first place was because the Dems got a ballot initiative to drastically increase the state minimum wage onto the ballot the year she ran, so a much larger percentage of students and low-information voters turned out to vote "In their own self-interest."

[USA4ME]

protect our future

What is happening in your part of the state to make you say it's getting more conservative?

The same thing that happens all over the world anytime people wake up, put on their thinking caps, and decide to become mature adults; they see and have to live with the effects of liberal policies.

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[AllosaursRus]

That's very true.  And remember, I'm a professional Republican, who's generally satisfied.

However, it's been disheartening, seeing all our candidates go after each other, instead of the Magic One.

If I were chairman of the National Republican Committee, I would've called them all in for a meeting, saying, "Hey, guys, quit beating up on each other, and beat up instead on our opponent.....and may the one who does the best beating-up win the nomination....."

It would've been delightful to watch, their different techniques and styles of beating up on the Magic One, and probably yes, the one most likely to win in November would be the one deemed the best at beating up.

That's why Romney started this shit, 'cause he can't hold a candle to the rest of the candidates when it comes to burying the "chosen one"!