http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002200879Oh my.
unhappycamper (47,472 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Just Short of Treason in Georgia and Kansas
It's official. The crazies have arrived for the 2012 presidential race, florid in their deviant and repulsive rhetoric. Andrew B. Adler, editor of The Atlanta Jewish Times, called on Israel's President Benjamin Netanyahu to "Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel's existence." This reference to President Barack Obama appeared in the print edition of the paper on January 13 and was first published online by Gawker on the 20th (alternate links here and here).
Right wing Republican Mike O'Neal, speaker of the Kansas House of Representatives, forwarded an email referring to the president that quoted (approximately) Psalm 109.8: “Let his days be few and brief; and let others step forward to replace him." The Lawrence Journal World noted that the very next verse, 109.9, indicates how the president should be replaced: "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." (Image SND)
The First Amendment is ignored when reactionary mayors want to stop the free speech and assemblies of Occupy Wall Street. However, free speech is expanded beyond the limits of the law when religious extremists in Atlanta and Kansas step well outside of the boundaries of U.S. Code.
The U.S. Code states:
§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States … by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; …
"Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both …" U.S. Code
Adler's argument seems to be exactly what the law describes:
"…give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies." Andrew B Adler, January 13
The Reaction So Far
The American Jewish Congress (AJC) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) were quick to respond to Adler's statements.
AJC put out a release condemning Adler's inflammatory remarks:
"While we acknowledge Mr. Adler’s apology, we are flabbergasted that he could ever say such a thing in the first place. How could he even conceive of such a twisted idea?" said Wilker. , "Mr. Adler surely owes immediate apologies to President Obama, as well as to the State of Israel and his readership, the Atlanta Jewish community." AJC Global Jewish Advocacy, January 20
Abraham Foxman, head of the ADL, referred to the statement as "dangerous" and stated, "Mr. Adler's lack of judgment as a publisher, editor and columnist raises serious questions as to whether he's fit to run a newspaper." ADL January 20
Why don't the organizations just say this? Adler is no different than anyone else and should be investigated immediately for these illegal threats.
Apologies and clearly inaccurate statements about the president being anti-Israel are of interest but beside the point. Adler's remarks look like a precise fit to the language of the U.S. Code on "Advocating the overthrow of Government."
Will Adler be investigated, charged and tried for his statements?
On a lesser note, where are the demands that Adler sell the paper (he's the owner) and for a reader and advertiser boycott?
Kansas House Speaker Mike O'Neal's message was slightly more circumspect than Adler's ranting, although the message was clear.
The reaction to O'Neal's barely veiled reference to killing the president generated immediate action by two Topeka, Kansas ministers. They delivered 30,000 signed petitions on January 18 demanding that O'Neal resign from the legislature. The organization sponsoring the petition, Faithful America, made this key point:
"As people of faith, we believe that scripture should never be used to justify praying for the death of anyone. Speaker O'Neal's hateful abuse of scripture is unacceptable and a disgrace to his office, and he should immediately resign."
The Kansas Republican Senators, Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran, have yet to issue a press release demanding O'Neal's resignation. Governor Sam Brownback, a self-described man of God, made no such request. While the Kansas Democratic Party objected to a racist email O'Neal sent out about Michelle Obama, there is nothing on their blog about O'Neal's fitness for office.
Where's the Outrage?
The lack of immediate outrage over the remarks by the deviants Adler and O'Neal is not surprising. Every day, millions play Call of Duty and other first person shooter video games that are all about killing people. Local news outlets prioritize reporting based on the saying, if it bleeds, it leads. Year in and year out, the level of military aggression overseas makes it seem like death and destruction are a normal feature of national security. The gap is narrowing between the foreign and domestic application of the Bush "take him out" doctrine
Prior to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a flyer was distributed listing the president's supposed treasonous acts. While the flyer was no secret, it wasn't proclaimed proudly as a feature of the rabid anti-JFK movement. The hate mongers knew that their true intent needed to be kept under wraps.
Today, the absence of outrage and censure makes it perfectly acceptable for people like Mike O'Neal and Andrew B. Adler to openly proclaim their homicidal urgings.
This is just the start of the campaign season. It will get much worse.
Oh dear. It's going to get much worse.
hobbit709 (21,151 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. IOKIYAR especially if the President is black.
Stupid acronym; I'm not even going to bother figuring it out.
BumRushDaShow (6,471 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Adler is being investigated
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/21/us/jewish-president-threat/
Whether anything goes beyond this to treason investigation, I doubt it. It's probably a slippery slope to do outside of being able to document actual "acts" (e.g., spying, etc).
BiggJawn (22,459 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Ask Richard Humphreys
He's the guy that spent 37 months in prison for telling a joke with the line about a "Burning Bush" in it.
But we now operate under the law of IOKIYAR and besides, the President is a ni(bong!)
Honeycombe8 (8,936 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. That does sound treasonous. I hope the fed has their phones tapped...
and is using the Patriot Act to protect our country.
Well, we do know the feds have been tapping Skins's island for eleven years now, to protect our country.
proud2BlibKansan (89,687 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. The worst part - The KS Democratic Party has NO candidate to run against O'Neal
They complain, send out emails, get everyone to sign petitions . . . everything BUT find a ****ing candidate to get this moron OUT OF office.
They also have NO candidate to run against Virgil Peck, the asshole who said we should shoot immigrants from helicopters like feral pigs.
They CLAIM they are waiting for redistricting. Well, that might not be finalized until May, when it will be far too late to start a campaign against a sitting representative.
They would obviously rather complain in this state than actually DO anything that leads to real change.
onenote (19,483 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Actually, that's the law against sedition, not treason, and if it was applied literally I would bet a lot of DUers (including myself) could have faced prosecution under it at some point in our lives. Think back to the Vietnam-era protests and marching for signs that called for revolution. That fits the definition of sedition in 18 USC 2385 far more "precisely" than either of the idiotic and grotesquely offensive ravings of Adler or O'Neal. Pick the worst lawyer in the world off the street at random and they could successfully defend either of those morons against a charge brought under 2385.
Its a bit depressing to see progressives so quickly leap to pick up the cudgel of the sedition law -- a law that once was used against the Communist and Socialist parties in the US and but thankfully has rarely been used since then.
A visit to Adler and O'Neal from the Secret Service is in order. But suggesting that the Sedition Act be dusted off to go after these idiots is a really bad thing to get behind.
