Because you knew they would.
meegbear (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 11:23 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2028739
The Rude Pundit - In Brief: The Murder of Anwar al-Awlaki Stinks
Sometimes there's cases where the liberal rubber hits reality road and you gotta decide whether your beliefs are beliefs or just conveniences based on circumstances and filled with holes. See, if you believe in due process, if you believe in innocent until proven guilty, if you believe in trials, if you believe in the Constitution, then you have to believe that all of us have those rights. And that includes presumptive terrorists, like Anwar al-Awlaki, whose death by U.S. drone attack is being danced over by the supposed upholders of the very laws his murder violates. This time, no matter what, it doesn't pass the smell test. It doesn't pass the basic "What if Bush did it" test. It's bullshit.
Let's just put this in plain language: An American citizen was killed by the United States because of his speech. And, no, it wasn't Glenn Beck (although by the standards used here, it could have been).
1. Anwar al-Awlaki was an American because he was born in the United States. He was raised in the United States. He was educated in the United States. And MSNBC is one of the few places willing to call him an "American" and not just "U.S. born." He had dual citizenship in the U.S. and Yemen. He was as American as Rick Perry.
2. As far as "justifying" his murder by drone attack, he has never been charged with killing anyone or in plotting to kill anyone. His crime was "inspiring" people to criminal actions, or, you know, speaking. He was just a mouthpiece with a good internet connection, and even if you think that's awful and deserves punishment, he was one of us and deserves the same protections as you do (yeah, he does).
4. "Viewed as a spiritual mentor, Awlaki is neither a senior Islamic cleric nor the leader of AQAP, which is headed by Nasser al-Wuhayshi. Eloquent in English and Arabic, Awlaki encouraged attacks on the US and was seen as a leader who could draw in more al-Qaeda recruits from Western countries."
5. Even by that standard, Yemen sentenced him, in abstentia, to ten years in prison for the crime of "inciting" a murder. If someone strangles Michael Moore, would we blow the shit out of Glenn Beck's house?
6. Unless the world is a battlefield, he was not killed in any ******* war. He was killed by a missile targeting him specifically in a place where no battle was occurring.
7. And if you believe that the president, any president, should have that power over Americans, then you have no right to call the president a "tyrant" on anything else.
8. And if you believe that the president, any president, should have that power over Americans, then you have no right to call yourself "liberal."
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Robb (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 11:27 AM
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1. Again, a correction:
"...he has never been charged with killing anyone or in plotting to kill anyone."
He was charged in courts in Yemen and the UK as recently as last year. Evidence against him was brought in the British Airways bomb plot case, and the defense lawyers for the poor saps who were caught never disputed the authenticity of al-Awlaki's specific instructions regarding types of bombs they should use, which airport jobs had the most access to unprotected planes, and where they could purchase materials for detonators.
This meme that all the man did was preach hatred is as entrenched as it is inaccurate.
AngkorWot (196 posts) Fri Sep-30-11 11:29 AM
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2. I wonder how nuts like this would have felt about Abraham Lincoln.
That "tyrant" had hundreds of thousands of American citizens killed.
Under similar circumstances.
mike_c (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 11:39 AM
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5. automatic rec for the rude one...
...who speaks with wisdom that is apparently way beyond the comprehension of some of the early responders in this thread.
