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People Need To Slow Down.
« on: July 19, 2011, 08:33:12 PM »
There was a very bad accident in my area just a few hours ago. Seems to be happening more and more lately. Almost nobody cares to observe the speed limit anymore or show any shred of common courtesy to anyone else. The prevailing NASCAR attitude needs to go. Everyone is in such a big freaking hurry, for what? Five people dead because some jerk (who walked away unscathed) was more important than anyone else.

This was all so totally unnecessary.



http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110719/NEWS01/110719037/5-Amish-killed-10-people-hurt-Yates-County-crash?odyssey=nav|head


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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 08:55:11 PM »
Jaysus, was the semi involved?  It doesn't sound like speed was the only problem, but the need to be somewhere in a hurry.  It happened in a no passing zone.

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 09:14:41 PM »
I don't know if the semi was involved, more details are coming out now. The driver who caused it was drunk and is being charged with murder.

Ever notice how these shiftless drunks that cause this sort of thing always come out of it without a scratch?



http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Benton-Penn-Yan-crash-Amish/MmJDtfIPDUKRA4ut8ZQzUQ.cspx

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http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/yates-county-crash/tqRkB_kSVU-gsI1t5_Y3Mw.cspx



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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 09:35:42 PM »
I don't know if the semi was involved, more details are coming out now. The driver who caused it was drunk and is being charged with murder.

Ever notice how these shiftless drunks that cause this sort of thing always come out of it without a scratch?



http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Benton-Penn-Yan-crash-Amish/MmJDtfIPDUKRA4ut8ZQzUQ.cspx

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http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/yates-county-crash/tqRkB_kSVU-gsI1t5_Y3Mw.cspx



I go back and forth in the opinion that DUI drivers should be charged with attempted manslaughter. Maybe above a certain BAC, like .25 or higher

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 10:40:55 PM »
That's hearbreaking.  What a senseless accident. 

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 11:21:53 PM »
You just never know when your time is up, folks.  All it takes is one idiot on the road tomorrow.  Tell your kids you love them, then show it to them.  Get right with your family.  Get right with God.

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 01:58:23 AM »
The roads seem more dangerous now then they were 15 or 20 years ago, I'm not sure that they were but it sure feels like it. The attitudes of people now, the shear amount of things to distract people, people who think the speed limit is 30kph over the posted speed.

I think another part of the problem is that simply doing the speed limit puts a person in danger. If you go the speed limit someone is guaranteed, every time to get so close that if you had to stop suddenly, they couldn't react and would hit you.

I don't care if I hurt myself while driving if it's my fault, hell I have before however, if I seriously injured or killed someone I don't know if I could live with myself.

This is truly sad that those people died because of one idiot, who like always came out alive.

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 07:13:49 AM »
I go back and forth in the opinion that DUI drivers should be charged with attempted manslaughter. Maybe above a certain BAC, like .25 or higher

IIRC, it's felony DUI (aggravated) here if you're more than double the limit (0.16).  If injuries or significant property damage involved, it is as well.  The only thing I have a problem with is the ridiculously low bails for criminal cases here.  You know the judge, half the time you'll get out ROR.  Had a guy who did that, was driving home, still drunk, and plowed into a motorcyclist, killing him.
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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 09:23:45 AM »
The roads seem more dangerous now then they were 15 or 20 years ago, I'm not sure that they were but it sure feels like it. The attitudes of people now, the shear amount of things to distract people, people who think the speed limit is 30kph over the posted speed.

I think another part of the problem is that simply doing the speed limit puts a person in danger. If you go the speed limit someone is guaranteed, every time to get so close that if you had to stop suddenly, they couldn't react and would hit you.

I don't care if I hurt myself while driving if it's my fault, hell I have before however, if I seriously injured or killed someone I don't know if I could live with myself.

This is truly sad that those people died because of one idiot, who like always came out alive.


Speed limits are lower now than when I was younger.

I think the differences are muliple....so many more cars on the road as most families have at least 2 cars, some have 3, 4 or more, especially if they have teenagers or college students living at home.

Cell phones have always been distracting, but text messaging is just deadly. There are people who read the newspaper while driving!! Now with the new Kindle things, people read them while driving.

Women putting makeup on while the car is moving!!! I will admit I have put mascara on while sitting at a stoplight, but my BFF will put her entire makeup on while driving!!! She doesn't do it anymore if I'm in the car with her....she got tired of me bitching her out when she did it.  ::) Scared the crap out of me. Should have heard me the night we were in SC, in a heavy thunderstorm, heading into the mountains...and I looked over and RB was FLOSSING HER TEETH!!! My reaction wasn't pretty.  :censored:

There are a lot more elderly drivers. People are still driving into their 90's. Supposedly, they have the lowest accident occurance of any group. That may be true...but many of them are a hazard on the road for everyone else.

Lots of women never learned to drive, neither of my grandmothers did, and both of them lived until the mid -1970's. These days, it's rare for someone not to know how to drive, and are learning at 15 or 16. There are a lot of Mommies out there, that are driving, and really need to take a couple of refresher courses...especially some that are driving "mommy vans" or those great big Suburbans, Tahoes, etc. They always seem to have a car full of kids, they are on the phone, and eating.

Eating is another issue. With all the fast food restaurant drive thru's, people grab their food and eat while driving. When RB and I went out to Murfreesboro, we were on the interstate and had to swerve as this car just drifted into our lane. I looked over, as we got around her, the woman was very intent on opening her hamburger, wasn't even looking up to see where she was going!! It's not just women, men are just as bad.

Teenagers are distracted by everything going on in the car. Other kids, cell phones, food.

Add alcohol into any situation that involves a moving vehicle and it's a potential accident. 
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 02:28:47 PM »
Although I'm not a fan of millions of laws and regulations on the books, NY just passed a law I like.  You can now be stopped as a primary offence if you are observed texting while driving.  Fine is about $200, I think it should be higher.  The last thing I want is some bubblehead texting OMG WTF LOL to her boyfriend while speeding through a red light.  People die every year because of this stupidity.  Teenagers especially. 

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 02:50:12 PM »
I totally agree. We don't need another "Fairport Five" like we had here outside Rochester a few years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/27/national/main2988033.shtml

It was later verified that the driver was texting while driving when she veered into the path of the truck.


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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
Although I'm not a fan of millions of laws and regulations on the books, NY just passed a law I like.  You can now be stopped as a primary offence if you are observed texting while driving.  Fine is about $200, I think it should be higher.  The last thing I want is some bubblehead texting OMG WTF LOL to her boyfriend while speeding through a red light.  People die every year because of this stupidity.  Teenagers especially. 

That law has been here since either last July or January. The problem they have found is it's difficult to prove. Just because the person can lay the phone down. Unless it's on camera, it's cop's word against driver's.  :(
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 03:39:54 PM »
I was wondering how the sprayer truck did so much damage to the other vehicle without much to it...now I see.

Everytime something like this happens it reminds me of a similar accident here 57 years ago. Seven members of a family wiped out instantly. When they got the bus off the car they were in, the eighth member, a baby a couple of months old, was still alive. She was the only one to survive.
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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 05:37:31 PM »


Information about the accused driver released today. 42 year old Steven Eldridge had a record, a violent one and had served time.

In 2004 he was arrested for possession of crack cocaine.

In 2006 he was stopped by police in Rochester, swallowed a quantity of crack cocaine, put his vehicle in reverse and attempted to ram the police cruiser. Eldridge then fought off the officer, stole his cruiser and led police on a twenty minute high speed pursuit in the wrong direction on I-390. This landed him in prison for 2 1/3 years. He was paroled in December 2008 and released from parole in April 2010.

These latest crimes may put Eldridge behind bars for life.

Charges include five counts of criminally negligent homicide, DWI, reckless driving, unsafe passing, speed not reasonable and prudent and failure to keep right after passing. Additional charges may yet be forthcoming.

In addition to the five Amish victims a small dog family pet was also crushed and killed in the van. The bodies of the victims and that of the pet dog were returned to the Amish community in southern Steuben county today for burial.

http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story/Amish-wreck-driver-had-police-chase-on-record/EdxC6H-0FU-hHS9RLw73tg.cspx


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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 05:48:47 PM »
Although I'm not a fan of millions of laws and regulations on the books, NY just passed a law I like.  You can now be stopped as a primary offence if you are observed texting while driving.

Just curious. Are you allowed to dial your phone while driving and if so, how would the cop know which you are doing? You can always delete the message you were sending before a cop got to your window, so there would be no proof. My problem with people texting and driving is that they are usually doing 10 mph under the speed limit and holding up traffic or they don't notice when a light turns green and you have to sit through a couple of extra lights because of them.

And, if you start banning texting, the next thing will be eating or changing your radio station or anything else that may cause you to look away from the road. Believe me, I am anal when it comes to driving. I am on my wife all the time for talking on her phone while driving, but I don't think we need new laws. Heck, a billboard or a pretty girl can distract a driver too. I hope we don't get to the point of outlawing pretty women from being out in public. :-)
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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 08:16:04 PM »
Just curious. Are you allowed to dial your phone while driving and if so, how would the cop know which you are doing? You can always delete the message you were sending before a cop got to your window, so there would be no proof. My problem with people texting and driving is that they are usually doing 10 mph under the speed limit and holding up traffic or they don't notice when a light turns green and you have to sit through a couple of extra lights because of them.

And, if you start banning texting, the next thing will be eating or changing your radio station or anything else that may cause you to look away from the road. Believe me, I am anal when it comes to driving. I am on my wife all the time for talking on her phone while driving, but I don't think we need new laws. Heck, a billboard or a pretty girl can distract a driver too. I hope we don't get to the point of outlawing pretty women from being out in public. :-)
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 09:19:30 PM »
:thatsright: You cannot possibly be serious.

About what? Not wanting more government? Texting versus dialing? People texting driving slow and not noticing when a light turns green? Pretty women?

I am not sure what your question is. You can not honestly tell me that you haven't been behind someone at a green light who sits there forever and then when you honk, you notice that their head comes up from their lap. It happens a couple of times a day to me. Then I seem to always be going the same place they are and they aren't getting there in any hurry. They swirve left and right, all at about 10mph under the speed limit. I am not saying they are safe, I'm just saying they are not speeding. They are usually holding up traffic.

There are already laws and rules of the road that could be enforced when someone isn't driving safe. We don't need more. Why not just charge them with wreckless driving? No need for a new law. The government is big enough, lets not help them get bigger.

Oh, and what if you see a drunk driver in front of you and decide to be a good citizen and call the police. Could the cop charge you for dialing the phone while driving? See how that works. Just enforce the laws we already have and we'll be okay.
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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2011, 10:33:44 PM »

Speed limits are lower now than when I was younger.

I think the differences are muliple....so many more cars on the road as most families have at least 2 cars, some have 3, 4 or more, especially if they have teenagers or college students living at home.

Cell phones have always been distracting, but text messaging is just deadly. There are people who read the newspaper while driving!! Now with the new Kindle things, people read them while driving.

Women putting makeup on while the car is moving!!! I will admit I have put mascara on while sitting at a stoplight, but my BFF will put her entire makeup on while driving!!! She doesn't do it anymore if I'm in the car with her....she got tired of me bitching her out when she did it.  ::) Scared the crap out of me. Should have heard me the night we were in SC, in a heavy thunderstorm, heading into the mountains...and I looked over and RB was FLOSSING HER TEETH!!! My reaction wasn't pretty.  :censored:

There are a lot more elderly drivers. People are still driving into their 90's. Supposedly, they have the lowest accident occurance of any group. That may be true...but many of them are a hazard on the road for everyone else.

Lots of women never learned to drive, neither of my grandmothers did, and both of them lived until the mid -1970's. These days, it's rare for someone not to know how to drive, and are learning at 15 or 16. There are a lot of Mommies out there, that are driving, and really need to take a couple of refresher courses...especially some that are driving "mommy vans" or those great big Suburbans, Tahoes, etc. They always seem to have a car full of kids, they are on the phone, and eating.

Eating is another issue. With all the fast food restaurant drive thru's, people grab their food and eat while driving. When RB and I went out to Murfreesboro, we were on the interstate and had to swerve as this car just drifted into our lane. I looked over, as we got around her, the woman was very intent on opening her hamburger, wasn't even looking up to see where she was going!! It's not just women, men are just as bad.

Teenagers are distracted by everything going on in the car. Other kids, cell phones, food.

Add alcohol into any situation that involves a moving vehicle and it's a potential accident. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2011, 12:01:39 PM »


"There won't be any anger". Local Amish put recent tragedy behind them.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110724/NEWS01/107240346/1002/NEWS

The thought crossed my mind, I wonder if prosecutors in this case will have trouble if the Amish don't participate in court proceedings. They are always adamant about not involving the law enforcement of the "English" as they call outsiders in their lives. A good example is the harassment mentioned in the article. Unfortunately that sort of thing happens regularly. Usually perpetrated upon them by the local ne'er-do-wells who vandalize their crops by joy riding through their corn fields, etc., burglarizing their homes when they are at away at church and outright assaulting them and even raping their women. Generally the Amish don't press charges or even report the incidents.
The case seems on the surface to be fairly cut and dry, a slam dunk really but I wonder if the lack of testimony from the survivors will hinder the case in any way, perhaps resulting in a more favorable outcome for the defendant.
That would truly suck.


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Re: People Need To Slow Down.
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2011, 12:47:08 PM »


"There won't be any anger". Local Amish put recent tragedy behind them.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110724/NEWS01/107240346/1002/NEWS

The thought crossed my mind, I wonder if prosecutors in this case will have trouble if the Amish don't participate in court proceedings. They are always adamant about not involving the law enforcement of the "English" as they call outsiders in their lives. A good example is the harassment mentioned in the article. Unfortunately that sort of thing happens regularly. Usually perpetrated upon them by the local ne'er-do-wells who vandalize their crops by joy riding through their corn fields, etc., burglarizing their homes when they are at away at church and outright assaulting them and even raping their women. Generally the Amish don't press charges or even report the incidents.
The case seems on the surface to be fairly cut and dry, a slam dunk really but I wonder if the lack of testimony from the survivors will hinder the case in any way, perhaps resulting in a more favorable outcome for the defendant.
That would truly suck.

 
Bull shit we are being taken here.

The Amish riding in a car  is outside my thinking.
 These people who refuse to own or use mordern things as in electrecity and live in the mordern world now jump into a up to date car to travel where they wish to ??

This blows my mind that those that are so against modern life would for any reason have use of it.

Is this a use the mordern tecknology when nessary or a cop out to get around their faith.. Why were  the true believers of the Amish in cars that they considered sinfull.????

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2011, 09:55:20 PM »

Bull shit we are being taken here.

The Amish riding in a car  is outside my thinking.
 These people who refuse to own or use mordern things as in electrecity and live in the mordern world now jump into a up to date car to travel where they wish to ??

This blows my mind that those that are so against modern life would for any reason have use of it.

Is this a use the mordern tecknology when nessary or a cop out to get around their faith.. Why were  the true believers of the Amish in cars that they considered sinfull.????

I can not even fathom how someone could find fault with the Amish. Stuff happens to them and they deal with it. I don't know why they ride in cars, but I am not Amish so I can't judge. You aren't Amish, yet you are casting a stone. Basically these people keep to themselves and make really good furniture. If you hate that, that is on you. They will forgive you, though.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2011, 07:08:26 AM »
I can not even fathom how someone could find fault with the Amish. Stuff happens to them and they deal with it. I don't know why they ride in cars, but I am not Amish so I can't judge. You aren't Amish, yet you are casting a stone. Basically these people keep to themselves and make really good furniture. If you hate that, that is on you. They will forgive you, though.

 :lmao: :lmao:-----------Why would you think I hate the Amish ??????

I lived around the Amish for a time in Tenn. and find no fault with them, it is the strange way they get around their belief that confuses me.

Like the Quaker catching a chicken thief in the barn.  The farmer is pointing a shot gun at the thief and tells him------Sir, I wish you no harm. however I am about to shoot at the area you are standing in, in about 60 seconds.
   
The Amish---

Interesting life style, they have their own doctors, call VETS. to tend to sick animals, yet live a home life without many inventions that were not in place 100+ years ago.

To me hearing of Amish riding in a auto  is much like walking into a bar and seeing a  group of Muslim woman drinking wine, or hear of a Catholic society busing pregnant girls into the city for an abortion.

Just curious that people that consider it sinfull to own an auto themselves would think nothing of taking advantage of non believers, the drivers and owners of autos, for their own benefit.