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Offline franksolich

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primitive questions tombstoning
« on: July 14, 2011, 05:04:34 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x3582

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SwampG8r  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-09-11 11:17 AM
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how is the decision to TS a member reached?

no dog in any fight just wondering

is it a decision by committee or does each mod have the power to TS if the act is egregious enough?

does the context of the posts/replies that has brought TS'ing a member enter the discussion?

if by group decision are there ways for a mod to recuse him/her self if conflicted?

do conflicts of interest in mods enter into the deliberations?

is there a lesser level of punishment?(like a 2 week ban on posting or replying)

i was here during the last 2 election cycles and i know the stone can drop in a hurry but outside of that most banning i have seen involves repeated contempt for simple board rules

hard to believe sometimes that these people, in general, all friggin agree with each other

screw herding cats

its more like herding badgers

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EarlG ADMIN  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-13-11 12:33 PM
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1. Moderators only have the power to act unilaterally in extreme circumstances.

Let's say it's the middle of the night and some freeper is stinking up the board with a bunch of spam. If there is only one moderator on duty, they are empowered to deal with a situation like that without having to wait around to get consensus from another moderator before they take out the trash.

In pretty much every other situation, moderators must come to a consensus before members are banned. If the member is a newbie who clearly seems like they're in the wrong place -- they immediately jump in with conservative points of view, or they seem to be trolling -- the mods can take action with the consensus of just a few other moderators.

If the member is a long-term DUer, moderators must get a strong consensus -- they must get the input of pretty much all the other moderators who must then all come to agreement before a banning can happen. This usually requires a lot of discussion, and while the discussion is taking place, any single moderator who is not completely certain that the member should be banned may speak up and place a "hold" on the banning. The member can't be banned until the moderator releases the hold (or unless an Admin steps in and overrules). Moderators must give a reason when placing a hold, and their wish to not ban the member at that time must be respected by the other moderators. There is then usually more debate and more evidence is presented until the moderator releases the hold, or until everyone decides to move on and revisit the member at a later date if their troublemaking continues.

We used to have a system of warnings and suspensions but we decided to move away from that because it felt pointless and merely postponed the inevitable. If long-term members are causing lots of trouble we will sometimes contact them to let them know that they are on the verge of losing their posting privileges and give them one last opportunity to improve their behavior, but often we feel that this is not necessary.

Moderators are certainly permitted and in fact encouraged to recuse themselves from discussing banning certain members if they feel they can't make a fair decision for whatever reason.
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 05:34:11 AM »
So, GurlE has stated what I always felt was true..

Democratic Underground has selective methods of 'justice' based on the member concerned.
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 05:46:09 AM »
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In pretty much every other situation, moderators must come to a consensus before members are banned. If the member is a newbie who clearly seems like they're in the wrong place -- they immediately jump in with conservative points of view, or they seem to be trolling -- the mods can take action with the consensus of just a few other moderators.

This of course begs the question, what is the DU's definition of conservative?
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 05:55:17 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on July 14, 2011, 05:46:09 AM
This of course begs the question, what is the DU's definition of conservative?

Anything to the right of Mao...
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 06:34:45 AM »
He he he... :lmao: Why does this remind me of Oliver Twist? That DUmmy may not realize it yet but he's gonna be sleeping in a coffin tonight!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc[/youtube]

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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 06:42:55 AM »
What a load of crap! "Lengthy discussions", "Decisions reached by consensus", blah blah blah.  :bs:

Every one of those Mods over there has a hair trigger on the trap door button at all times. I've seen people tombstoned literally within scant minutes of a discouraging word. Any whiff of conservatism dared to be uttered and it's adios immediately.

Any of you lurking ghouls disagree? Whatever, you can lick my lilly white pasty Irish man teats because you know it's the truth!
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 10:30:23 AM »
Quote from: miskie on July 14, 2011, 05:34:11 AM
So, GurlE has stated what I always felt was true..

Democratic Underground has selective methods of 'justice' based on the member concerned.

I wonder if anyone's noticed a particular difference between this place and Skins's island.

Other than the greater diversity (usually ideological) here, than there.

conservativecave's banned about 200 members (or "members") out of circa 1,750 who've ever registered (our registered member total on the bottom of the forum page shows the number of members in good standing only; the banned ones aren't counted in that total).

Skins's island has surely banned at least ten or twelve times more members than it has members in good standing.  I am understating what is probably a higher proportion, but anyway.....

conservativecave has two rules; Skins' island has a whole encyclopedia of rules, many of which aren't known to its membership.

The most common reason for banning here is that one's a spammer.

The most common reason for banning on Skins's island is that one has disagreed with something.

I suspect that's why conservativecave has greater stability, and greater diversity of thought.
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 10:35:23 AM »
Quote from: miskie on July 14, 2011, 05:34:11 AM
So, GurlE has stated what I always felt was true..

Democratic Underground has selective methods of 'justice' based on the member concerned.

Usually it depends on how much money the member is willing to pony up to Skinner & company.  That makes a BIG difference to that capitalist.
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 11:21:18 AM »
Strangely, the topic of donor status goes unmentioned in the discussion...

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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 11:56:50 AM »
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In pretty much every other situation, moderators must come to a consensus before members are banned. If the member is a newbie who clearly seems like they're in the wrong place -- they immediately jump in with conservative points of view, or they seem to be trolling -- the mods can take action with the consensus of just a few other moderators.

OH OH OH OH OH, so your rule of not judging any member by their post count does not apply to the mods?!?!?  WTG DUchebags!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: primitive questions tombstoning
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 12:13:48 PM »
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SwampG8r  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-09-11 11:17 AM
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>el snippo<

---is there a lesser level of punishment?(like a 2 week ban on posting or replying)

Of course there is, DUmbass.
Just ask a certain Boston DrUnkard. :lmao:
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