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Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« on: April 22, 2008, 05:19:05 PM »
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mahina  (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:21 PM
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Anyone else struck by the parallels between Adam & Eve cast out of the garden and climate change?
 Advertisements [?]It hit me like a ton of bricks.
 


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Dhalgren (1000+ posts)       Tue Apr-22-08 05:30 PM
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2. Most fairy tales contain universal themes and can be
 applied to many situations. That's one of the reasons fairy tales are so great. Another one that is applicable is the Cherokee fairy tale about the eagle and the bear who tried to steal the sun. 


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mahina  (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:41 PM
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6. I was thinking that biting the apple of knowledge (say fossil fuel burning tech)
 had us cast out of the garden.

I bet it was a GMO apple, dammit.
 


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Wizard777 (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:45 PM
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11. God told Noah the next time he destorys the earth it will be by fire.
 Global warming? Either way. Look out here we come.
 

flipping through the bible trying to find that one...

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Wizard777 (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:42 PM
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8. That's interesting. The climate on mars is the result of global warming there.
 So would you place the Garden of Eden on Mars? If it were then eden became Mars which is the Roman God of War. Then tie in, "war was made in Heaven." It just gets even more interesting.
 

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SoCalDem  (1000+ posts)       Tue Apr-22-08 05:42 PM
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9. nope.. Adam & eve was a story made up by a bunch of drunken medieval monks
 after sampling their wares in the hot sun all day long 


Hmmm..how does that explain all the old testiment text dating back a thousand or so years before the medieval times?

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Beregond2 (787 posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:51 PM
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13. For me,
 the Eden story is a parable about the price humanity paid when it achieved self-consciousness. The ability to reason carries with it a profound separation from nature, from intuition, from "the will of God" if you will. All of which is symbolized by our expulsion from the Garden, and our condemnation to till the earth for our food. You could say that all of history since is a continuation of our increasing separation from nature, culminating in the destruction of our environment. So yes, I certainly do see a parallel.

An interesting point suggested in "The Dragons of Eden" by Carl Sagan, is that abstract thought is a function of the frontal cortex, which made human heads much bigger, and greatly increased the pain of childbirth; just as happens in Genesis, as one of the punishments for eating of the Tree of Knowledge.

These "fairy tales" can be pretty profound!


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shain from kane (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 06:08 PM
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15. What about Adam and Steve? What effect does global warming have on them?


That global warming would be hell. Literally.

Genesis 3
 1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

 9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

 13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

 14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 05:30:51 PM »
on Noah, since the DUmmie claims God said by fire next time, and DUmmies always lie:

20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though [a] every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

 22 "As long as the earth endures,
       seedtime and harvest,
       cold and heat,
       summer and winter,
       day and night
       will never cease."

Genesis 9
God's Covenant With Noah
 1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
 4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

 6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
       by man shall his blood be shed;
       for in the image of God
       has God made man.

 7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."

 8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

 12 And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth."

 17 So God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth."



Now, I don't know about you- I don't see nothing about fire.

BUT- lets be sure:

The Seals
 1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!"

2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
 
 3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

 5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

 7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!"

8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

 9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"

11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

 12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

 15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

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The Trumpets
 6Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
 7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

 8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

 10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

 12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

 13As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

The Trumpets
 6Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
 7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

 8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

 10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

 12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

 13As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

 7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[a]

 12The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

 13The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 15And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

 17The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

 20The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

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 15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
   "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
      and he will reign for ever and ever." 16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:
   "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
      the One who is and who was,
   because you have taken your great power
      and have begun to reign.
 18The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
   The time has come for judging the dead,
      and for rewarding your servants the prophets
   and your saints and those who reverence your name,
      both small and great—
   and for destroying those who destroy the earth."


And that, is what God says about distruction.
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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 05:47:53 PM »
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mahina  (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:41 PM
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6. I was thinking that biting the apple of knowledge (say fossil fuel burning tech)
 had us cast out of the garden.
Oh how the illiterate fatigue me.

It was the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil--in other words moral discernment.

And the temptation that enticed them was, "because you shall be as gods yourself".

Oddly, once they did gain moral discernment their first act was to obfuscate and blame-shift.
According to the Bible, "know" means "yes."

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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 05:48:19 PM »
I love the DUmmies. To them everything in the Bible is an "fairy tale" but burning sage, pendulums, woodland fairies, spirit guides, astrology, chemtrails, hurricane machines, and Blackie the Ghost Chicken are completely reasonable.
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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 05:55:36 PM »
I love the DUmmies. To them everything in the Bible is an "fairy tale" but burning sage, pendulums, woodland fairies, spirit guides, astrology, chemtrails, hurricane machines, and Blackie the Ghost Chicken are completely reasonable.
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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 06:42:08 PM »
I love the DUmmies. To them everything in the Bible is an "fairy tale" but burning sage, pendulums, woodland fairies, spirit guides, astrology, chemtrails, hurricane machines, and Blackie the Ghost Chicken are completely reasonable.

Don;t forget the danger of the reverse mirror visualization.
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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 07:16:33 PM »
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts)       Tue Apr-22-08 05:30 PM
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2. Most fairy tales contain universal themes and can be
 applied to many situations. That's one of the reasons fairy tales are so great. Another one that is applicable is the Cherokee fairy tale about the eagle and the bear who tried to steal the sun.

Let's see, expulsion from Paradise and 2 animals trying to steal the sun...where the hell is my nuance when I need it?

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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 07:20:12 PM »
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-22-08 05:42 PM
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8. That's interesting. The climate on mars is the result of global warming there.
 So would you place the Garden of Eden on Mars? If it were then eden became Mars which is the Roman God of War. Then tie in, "war was made in Heaven." It just gets even more interesting.

This one I don't even understand. The Garden of Eden on Mars? Wow, when God cast them out he meant business! But the war was made in Heaven...I'm missing the whole connection. We need some peer reviews on that thread.

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Re: Eviction. Adam and Eve discussed via DU.
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 07:52:04 PM »
I love the DUmmies. To them everything in the Bible is an "fairy tale" but burning sage, pendulums, woodland fairies, spirit guides, astrology, chemtrails, hurricane machines, and Blackie the Ghost Chicken are completely reasonable.
Now that right there is Sig line material.  :-)
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