madfloridian (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 12:09 AM
Original message
L.A. school lawyers printed off 90 pages of librarian's blog. Used it against her at hearing.
Are you uneasy yet? I am.
[snip for long-winded bullshit such as using a DU journal post as evidence of nefarious misdeeds]
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 12:14 AM
Response to Original message
1. I hope someone defends this and tells me I am over reacting.
Please do it.
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #1
44. You are overreacting
This is a legal proceeding. As with many legal proceedings, law enforcement is present. It is also common in a legal proceeding to present evidence which will corroborate or rebut testimony. It would appear that this woman's blog did the latter.
provis99 (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 12:17 AM
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3. oh, if only she had copyrighted her blog.
She could have sued the shit out of those assclown lawyers for copyright infringement.
Such ironclad legal intellects.
bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
6. Sadly, this is the way we now treat public servants.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #6
36. By giving them recourse to a hearing when they contest layoff decisions?
Good, they deserve that. So do the rest of us.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #11
30. The layoffs are appalling. Freaking out about due process is simply puzzling.
The teacher-librarians asked for a hearing to argue they should be protected like classroom teachers, and the hearing was granted. This is a good thing.
And now the coup de grace:
TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 03:44 AM
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15. It's a hearing in which the laid off teachers are arguing
that they shouldn't be laid off. It's a legal proceeding. Why wouldn't anything any of the teachers put out into the public domain be used as evidence against them when it comes to determining whether or not they should be allowed to keep their jobs?
I'm also not getting what is so upsetting about the fact that this is a legal proceeding with lawyers and a judge and a court reporter, etc. all held in a court of law. Would you really prefer that this happened in some backroom somewhere WITHOUT all the trappings of our legal system??? No lawyers? No judge? No official record? All done in secret out of the public eye???
What's so disgraceful about interrogating witnesses under oath in a legal proceeding which THEY brought to court for the express purpose of discovering if each of them are indeed so experienced, trained and qualified that not only should the positions they've been laid off from be re-instated but that they personally should hold those positions? I can't even think of anyone in my life that has ever been laid off from a job that had anything close to this kind of recourse for keeping it.
Yes, what is happening to our public education system is terrible and THAT is what the disgrace is. That state governments are such a barking mess that they cut out of the budget those things most people believe are what is most important to keep like education, police and fire protection and sanitation services, etc. Your outrage is really misplaced.
These people are in the LUCKY position that when laid off they can have the recourse to actually argue in a court of law that not only are their respective positions so necessary that the positions should be reinstated but that they PERSONALLY should be the people reinstated to those positions. The rest of us in this country just get laid off without explanation, or any recourse and are lucky if we can clear out our personal items when we get kicked to the curb.
They're damn lucky they can even HAVE any recourse to keep their jobs, damn lucky that's it's an actual legal proceeding, brought the legal proceeding themselves and now they're unhappy that it's being conducted like all legal proceedings are and not in some back room by some lone douche with a slashing pen not interested in giving them so much as the time of day and pissed off at them for wasting their precious time? When the rest of us don't even get to see or speak to that lone douche with the slashing pen to ask to keep our jobs?
eilen (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. I don't understand your arguement
You are saying these teachers and librarians brought this on themselves?
I hope your worth is similarly examined and found wanting. Perhaps they can dredge up your personal DU posts. Maybe you could develop some empathy.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. Yes, they asked for the hearing after they got laid off
It's a hard-won protection they have.
Now we get a glimpse into the liberal mind that can never be satisfied.
leveymg (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 07:09 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. So, public employees should lose their civil service and union protections?
Equality of misery? Is that what you want? If you don't, you should make that much, much clearer, and fight like hell to unionize your job, if you still have one.
If what is being done to this librarian (and others laid off, like her) doesn't disgust you, you shouldn't consider yourself a progressive or a Democrat.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Wed May-25-11 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #19
27. So you would rather they have no legal recourse when they're laid off?
WTF?
Exactly.
Nothing will ever satisfy these people. If there is no due process for being laid-off they will demand it. If there is due process they want it public. If it's done publically then they call it a public shaming. The goal posts will always keep moving until you decide to forfeit the game in their favor.
And on it goes...
All emotion, no thought.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1169191#1169217BONUS THREAD
MadWhoreIdiot is on a roll today. She's all aghast Bill Gates wants to see bad teachers removed from schools or something.
According to MadWhoreIdiot few, if any, teachers are bad. if you say otherwise you might as well be rounding them up in cattle cars to be shipped-off to internment camps or something.
But granting there might be 1 or 2 bad ones Mr. Gates search for them has paralyzed the other several million with terror to the verge of impotence:
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Tue May-24-11 12:26 AM
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Bill Gates pouring billions into the "hunt for bad teachers"....demoralizing them.
Those are the words of Diane Ravitch in a recent post at the Daily Beast.
This is a powerful statement:
The main effect of Gates' policy has been to demoralize millions of teachers, who don't understand how they went from being respected members of the community to Public Enemy No. 1.
[snip to preserve brain cells]
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Tue May-24-11 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Yes, too many join in. Even at Dem forums.
The propaganda against teachers has worked well.
This idiot is Exhibit A for teachers that should be hounded out of their profession. Somebody email her DU account log and IP address to Bill Gates.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1162132#1163885
