Unanswered Questions about Barack Obama

[gurn]

Unfortunately, this is something historians will have to explain. Hawaii will not rescind the COLB.

But if Trump doesn't back down and if other candidates and talking heads start asking questions,
it might cost the Imam Barack the election.

[gurn]

 

Factoids to throw on the fire:

1. Obama's parents purportedly married on February 2, 1961. She would have been 18 - not 17 at the time.

2. At the time they married , his Dad was already married to a woman in Kenya. Thus, the marriage was
null & void. His Dad under US law, could have been a bigamist. (Obamabots have argued that the Kenyan
marriage was not legal under Kenyan law, thus making the US marriage valid.)

3. According to Obama's story, they lived together in Hawaii until his Dad went to Harvard in 1962.

4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.

5. And we know his Dad did not go with them.  

6. There is apparently no evidence they ever lived together.

7. There is apparently no reference to the marriage, except when his Mom filed for divorce in 1964.

8. No one was invited to the marriage. Her friends were surprised to learn of it.

9. The marriage is referenced in the divorce, but nobody has produced a marriage certificate.

Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there—a marriage that may or may not have been legal.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html#ixzz1IlCardrk

A propaganda arm of the Obama Re-Election Campaign, Snopes.com, completely omits the fact that
his Mom moved to Seattle w/o his Dad, when Barack was 2 weeks old.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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None of this information would have been on his birth certificate.
It's still very bizarre why he would try to hide it.

I've never seen a stranger story in American politics.

[dandi]

4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.

She gave birth to Seattle?  What a busy little hippie!

[JohnnyReb]

She gave birth to Seattle?  What a busy little hippie!

Hey, when you're able to use the space needle for a dildo...

[gurn]

Yeah. She gave birth to Seattle two weeks after giving birth to the Imam Barack.
And the MSM has completely covered that up too.

I watched Trump on TODAY interview. He acts like he has something.

It runs from about 4:00 to 6:00

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42469716#42469716

He has investigators in Hawaii.

Trump: "I have people who have actually been studying it. And they cannot believe what they're finding,"

Interviewer: "You have people down there now, searching? I mean in Hawaii."

Trump: "Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they are finding.

I would like to have him show his birth certificate. And to be honest with you, I hope he can, because
if he can't...and if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility...much greater than I thought
two or three weeks ago, then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."

I hope Trump's investigators are good. His credibility is going to take a big hit if they're not."
But if they are, then he's busting wide open the greatest political scandal in American history.

[vesta111]

Factoids to throw on the fire:

1. Obama's parents purportedly married on February 2, 1961. She would have been 18 - not 17 at the time.

2. At the time they married , his Dad was already married to a woman in Kenya. Thus, the marriage was
null & void. His Dad under US law, could have been a bigamist. (Obamabots have argued that the Kenyan
marriage was not legal under Kenyan law, thus making the US marriage valid.)

3. According to Obama's story, they lived together in Hawaii until his Dad went to Harvard in 1962.

4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.

5. And we know his Dad did not go with them.  

6. There is apparently no evidence they ever lived together.

7. There is apparently no reference to the marriage, except when his Mom filed for divorce in 1964.

8. No one was invited to the marriage. Her friends were surprised to learn of it.

9. The marriage is referenced in the divorce, but nobody has produced a marriage certificate.

A propaganda arm of the Obama Re-Election Campaign, Snopes.com, completely omits the fact that
his Mom moved to Seattle w/o his Dad, when Barack was 2 weeks old.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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None of this information would have been on his birth certificate.
It's still very bizarre why he would try to hide it.

I've never seen a stranger story in American politics.

Time line here is very strange.

His mother at [18]  marries a man who has a wife in Kenya when she ,as she says, was  3 months pregnant---then for some reason goes back to Kanya where his first wife is  and stays in a rundown shack for 6 months with her inlaws ---   and perhaps his first wife--- and a week or so  before her due date gets on a boat for a trans Pacific trip home.

The Hippie culture had not come into being at that time--we were still referring to the kids as Beatniks.  Drugs and free sex were a few years in the future.

Two weeks after the birth she shags ass to Seattle , half a world away from her family with just the child, alone and still a very young girl, still a minor at that time.  Got to remember this is only 2 weeks after giving birth.

Now The father shows up in New England when the boy was 2  and when one says someone goes to Harvard it usually refers to being a student.    Mean while his mother gets some kind of a divorce from the father and remarries another Muslim this time from Indonesia.   

It is said the stepfather adopted Obama but if so why is the child that only met his father once in his life not going by the last name of the only father he remembers.

Why did his mother send him back to go to school in Hawaii and be raised by her mother.?   Did she leave Indonesia also or stay there??     Where did the money for his education come from and what side of the family paid for it???  How old was he when he first met his fathers people in Kanya, ----Who are these step brothers and sisters over there and this so called Aunt that has been in the country illegally for years---who the Hell is she?     Is it possible she is his birth mother???

[gurn]

Time line here is very strange.

His mother at [18]  marries a man who has a wife in Kenya when she ,as she says, was  3 months pregnant---then for some reason goes back to Kanya where his first wife is  and stays in a rundown shack for 6 months with her inlaws ---   and perhaps his first wife--- and a week or so  before her due date gets on a boat for a trans Pacific trip home.

The Hippie culture had not come into being at that time--we were still referring to the kids as Beatniks.  Drugs and free sex were a few years in the future.

Two weeks after the birth she shags ass to Seattle , half a world away from her family with just the child, alone and still a very young girl, still a minor at that time.  Got to remember this is only 2 weeks after giving birth.

Now The father shows up in New England when the boy was 2  and when one says someone goes to Harvard it usually refers to being a student.    Mean while his mother gets some kind of a divorce from the father and remarries another Muslim this time from Indonesia.   

It is said the stepfather adopted Obama but if so why is the child that only met his father once in his life not going by the last name of the only father he remembers.

Why did his mother send him back to go to school in Hawaii and be raised by her mother.?   Did she leave Indonesia also or stay there??     Where did the money for his education come from and what side of the family paid for it???  How old was he when he first met his fathers people in Kanya, ----Who are these step brothers and sisters over there and this so called Aunt that has been in the country illegally for years---who the Hell is she?     Is it possible she is his birth mother???

The person who could answer all those questions died the day before Obama was elected.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/03/us-usa-politics-grandmother-idUSTRE4A26GV20081103

BTW, I believe Stanley was his birth mother. He bears a resemblance to her.
He sure as Hell does not look anything like his Dad though.

BTW, CNN is really going after Trump & his birth certificate questions now. They're taking it personally.

[gurn]

Curioser & curioser:

Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

According to a version of Obama’s purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

[gurn]

Excellent article from April 2, 2011

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/ (go down the page)

The newspaper announcements, according to author Daniel Crosby are not produced by a hospital.
The data on them does not come from a hospital. The announcements of Obama's birth, according
to Crosby are two steps removed from a hospital.

He spent two months researching the issue in Hawaii. And this is what I've suspected. There was
a massive citizenship loophole, whereby, thousands of Hawaiians could become US citizens by birth,
even if they were born outside the United States.

Parents would simply announce the births at a branch office of the Department of Health.
The office would simply presume the birth occurred in Hawaii and send the announcements
to the newspapers. And importantly, the registration itself becomes proof of being born in Hawaii.
The registration also becomes the source of the short-form COLB.

In the words of Conway Twitty, think about that, darlin'.

The fact is that the appearance of a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper in 1961 did not indicate a Hawaiian birth, as has been proven. Thousands of children born outside of Hawaii from the early 1900's until today have had their births registered and announced in Hawaii as a native birth. The state of Hawaii, and the territory prior, has maintained laws and policies for 100 years which afford its municipal authority with tremendous latitude in registering and 'nativizing' foreign-born children. A review of the history of Hawaii's plural culture and remote location explains the evolution of Hawaii's permeable migrational history.

"Therefore, it has now been confirmed by authorities in Hawaii and abroad that Obama’s birth announcements appeared in two local Hawaiian newspapers without the birth having been medically verified as occurring in Hawaii. The announcements are automatically triggered from information provided by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Therefore, since we already know that Hawaii's Health Department registered foreign births, the announcements would include births for these registrations as well, along with local birth registrations. "

His theory? Obama's grandparents fill out a form announcing the birth at a Dept of Health office near their home. The office used by the Obamas, was one where native-born Hawaiians, born in rural areas of the state, would go to report births not occurring at hospitals.  The place of birth is not verified. The date of birth is not verified. In fact, nothing is verified.

The office then includes that with the announcements it sends to the newspapers. This would account for the hospital not issuing a long-form birth certificate. There was no hospital birth. That civil registration also becomes the foundation for the later issuance of the short-form birth certificate.

[vesta111]

Excellent article from April 2, 2011

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/ (go down the page)

The newspaper announcements, according to author Daniel Crosby are not produced by a hospital.
The data on them does not come from a hospital. The announcements of Obama's birth, according
to Crosby are two steps removed from a hospital.

He spent two months researching the issue in Hawaii. And this is what I've suspected. There was
a massive citizenship loophole, whereby, thousands of Hawaiians could become US citizens by birth,
even if they were born outside the United States.

Parents would simply announce the births at a branch office of the Department of Health.
The office would simply presume the birth occurred in Hawaii and send the announcements
to the newspapers. And importantly, the registration itself becomes proof of being born in Hawaii.
The registration also becomes the source of the short-form COLB.

In the words of Conway Twitty, think about that, darlin'.

His theory? Obama's grandparents fill out a form announcing the birth at a Dept of Health office near their home. The office used by the Obamas, was one where native-born Hawaiians, born in rural areas of the state, would go to report births not occurring at hospitals.  The place of birth is not verified. The date of birth is not verified. In fact, nothing is verified.

The office then includes that with the announcements it sends to the newspapers. This would account for the hospital not issuing a long-form birth certificate. There was no hospital birth. That civil registration also becomes the foundation for the later issuance of the short-form birth certificate.

Back to Trump,  This man is a major wheeler dealer, he makes the Russian Mafia look like punks as he does our own big time mob bosses.  He has been taken down a time or two but snapped right back better off then he was before the take down.

All this bither stuff for him is very uncharacteristic behavior for him.  He is way to smart to be showing his hand at a poker table, I believe this is all smoke and mirrors as he may have all ready found something very damaging to OBAMA and be hiding the fact.    His life has been a game of Witt's to confuse and conquer his rivals for the money. This is his life, he loves the battles and the chase.

Much more to this story, way, way much more, he is not going to tip off the enemy to his positions of attack and give the enemy  time to regroup elsewhere.

This birther thing is a red herring for the Obamas and who ever to follow to throw them off the track that he may be in possession of documents that are far worse then a birth certificate.    As long as Obama thinks this dog is barking up the wrong tree his life may be some what safe. No accidents, heart attacks or falling down the steps and breaking his neck.
 

[gurn]

I don't know. It's all very strange. If Trump has nothing, he's showing very bad judgment.
This may help him in the primaries. But it's an issue that can blow up in his face.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

This is why I'm a "birther" comments like this:

Robin Weckesser

Really?.....Your kidding right? Why dont you spend your time on something more constructive. This type of divisive thought and perpetuation is one the biggest problems this country has. Do something right....you'll feel better....probably less angry.

Joe G. (Illinois)

Never mind if you have a birth certificate. I’ll say having a driver license is good enough.

As longs as they can mark and X for a signature and have a different race than Borak Obama. Because otherwise the presidential candidacy would be like too racist toward other other people who are neither White or African American.

Ian

sure, Obama is a communist and was born in Kenya and also worships a sun god......

get over it! He won, he is the president! Why is it that it that Obama is the only president to get this treatment, people looking to find ANYTHING to try to have him removed from office???

I think we all know why, a bunch of white middle class angry men cant get over the fact that a intelligent black man won the presidency. Pathetic

Ruth Caron

Stop breaking the law telling your tea bag lies. Let the truth be known tea baggers are really kkk disguished as tea bags. Get over it a black man is President. Grow up cry babys.

Ian

ha ha ha ha!!! you are insane my friend,

George Bush or as you call him probably, da W, lied to the entire world about WMDs and you are focusing on this???

Do us all a favor and go hunting with Dick Cheney sometime soon

Not 1 valid rebuttal or appeal to fact.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/obamas-sister-calls-trumps-birther-rant-a-shame/

[CG6468]

I don't believe he's a citizen. Where's his iron-clad proof of US citizenship?

[gurn]

MSNBC ran an article that is demonstrably wrong.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/

 The article states the long form cannot be released, even on request. WRONG.

See Hawaii Revised Statute 338-13


http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm

I'm on a stupid IPad now and can only paste links.
But read it for yourself. The MSNBC article is clearly wrong.

[gurn]

This is a very strange story.

Link to what is purportedly Obama's Hawaii COLB, registered by his grandmother, showing Kenya birth.

http://123722364835149753-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate/Obama-Hawaii-Birth-Shows-Kenyat.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crkKuURHhJG2ImMtDJFvwaXOnsk1z-jEzCnryQxWUk37SLzNXAgcYtYct77N4uj4UWkNqjKft7mAVZgHNH31NvueThfaC-qs16JaKSdoZmD3Wu-bzHt06NmvjqS5SJ8a2-P--X0Srn6KVZddnbOynzx6FOV8p6Y1sEVS4FNeVfdKqrRDJeoev1UKbq065BCvi4RuXx-mgdKFClsy4LN-D0oYiu338WzmyRe3rVosbbDCOunnF-V6UcQxPu8UsdpNSBDLllAWK_ZBnjWk7LYnCH82InpWQ%3D%3D&attredirects=0

Now that would be something he'd spend 2 million dollars to hide.

I can't find any reference to this document on the web. Note that it is a Hawaii COLB showing he was born in Kenya.

ANOTHER UPDATE:

On April 11, 2011, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, told MSNBC that long-form birth certificates were no longer available. 

When did that happen? This contradicted Hawaii's statute which specifies that "any certificate" may be provided. And as recently as March, 2011, long-forms
had been provided to requesters per 338-13 of Hawaii Revised Statutes:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/

[gurn]

Important report on WND today.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=293113

Obama's father's immigration documents virtually rule out the possibility that his son was born in Kenya.
According to those documents, released pursuant to a FOIA request, Barack Sr. remained in the US from 1959 until 1964
on an F-1 student visa.

It would be extremely strange and unlikely for his 'wife' to go to Kenya alone to have the baby.
Likewise, the documents show no re-entry to the US after an exit for Barack Sr. In fact, they
show no exit at all until 1964. But they do show one admission in 1959 and one exit in 1964.

[gurn]

Document Forensics are not my forte.

But this is an exhaustive analysis of the birth certificate Obama released.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55642721/News-Release-Legal-proof-that-President-Obama%E2%80%99s-Certificate-of-Live-Birth-is-a-forgery

[Eupher]

Doesn't pass the smell test.

A technical report would be devoid of political commentary and legal jargon. This one is full of both.

In the end, it doesn't matter. Barry is president and a report of this nature will not change that fact.