Nutcase know-it-all nadin is gradually easing back into her role as the condescending teacher, trying patiently to lead her DUmmy followers out of the darkness of their ignorance and inferiority. Most of them are grateful for her help:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:02 PM
Original message
I don't know how to say this kindly, so I won't
I've read many here but, we could have captured him alive....
In the real world where I chose to live, I know that operation of the sort carried out last Sunday are highly risky. highly chaotic, and when targets such as OBL are involved... your chances of capturing this target alive... are anywhere from nill[sic] to highly unlikely.
There are many rasons[sic] for that.
Suffice it to say that games, novels and movies are not doing us any favors. Real life is far away from any of this fiction.
Now morality... should we, could we? Yep, maybe... but in reality is that in the real world that was highly unlikely.
I also have a theory. Since MOST Americans really do not know how the military REALLy works... we have a slew of fantasies floating around. Suffice it to say... Splinter Cell is not real.
As I said, I have no idea how to say this nicely.
To the SEALS involved... good job, nobody got hurt, you are going back to your families and will take details to your graves. That is also the real world.
So let me raise a glass in your honor.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1038324Know-it-all nadin has been on countless commando raids like this one. She knows how they go down. She, the retired nuclear sub captain, and TomInTib are the ones who got Saddam.
Enrique (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
6. so we can't have morality in the real world
what about legality?
Are people concerned about laws just video game nerds?
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. You really think they could arrest him?
Here is a warrant Mr. Bin Ladin, will now you come quietly please?
Yes I wish we could. but that real world is pesky. There were way too many reasons why that wasn't gonna happen... in an ideal world, sure... but in the real world.. nope, not really. And if you want to look at the reasons why... there are many reasons as to why. Some of them less savory than others...
Nutcase nadin loves to belittle her DUmmy inferiors by using the term "pesky" in discounting their objections.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Let me list some of the reasons why this was not going to happen
1.- Trial and security would be a real nightmare, and if you think there would be ahem political matters now... just wait to give that one to the GOP. (Yes in the real world politics plays a role too)
2.- CIA's role in the creation of the Taliban and the thousands of misiles and other weapons that ended up in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
3.- He was a CIA asset.
As I said, there are less savory reasons why this was not going to happen. There are others like him as well around the world. And those people would never be arrested either. It is the reality of Empire...
And that is the real world... a dark world where most dare not thread[sic]. That is what you just got a peek into.
No the SEALS dont rock... they did a job, that's all.
Know-it-all nadin knows the reality of Empire. It's in the script, and it's all a trend. She's just giving the DUmmies a peek. Nadin rushes in where DUmmies dare not thread.
Enrique (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. those are also good reasons why they couldn't catch Saddam alive
very last one applies just as much to Saddam, and probably more, since Bush and the Republicans had more to hide.
But they did get Saddam alive, in this real world we are living in.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. A lot of this is about Empire
no doubt in my mind, but that is the real world...
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. The picrures[sic] shoudl[sic] not be released
we need to pretend to go back to the world order, and geneva convention comes to mind
Nutcase nadin knows the Geneva Condition like the back of her chubby hand.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Might be silly, but the conventions, which we signed
are clear on it.
Know-it-all nutcase nadin is a medical expert, a nuclear expert, a history expert, a labor expert, and, now, a legal expert.
Imajika (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Wrong, they are not clear on it at all...
At best it is a gray area, but most legal scholars I've seen agree that it is legal to release the photos.
Article 13 of the Geneva Convention does not cover this, Bin Laden was not a prisoner of war. Comm Article 3 of the convention covers other conflicts but does not address the treatment of bodies. Customary International Humanitarian Law covers despoiling bodies, but it is a stretch to claim despoiling covers releasing photos of the dead. Even if Geneva 13 covered this it does not preclude releasing photographs for documentation purposes.
Again, at very best this is a gray area, but most likely the Obama administration could release these photos and they are not claiming international agreements are the reason they are not doing so.
Uh-oh. Looks like nutcase nadin made a mistake. Will she admit it?
What do you think?
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. First we have not followed the conventions the way we should
second, it is not gray... but whatever...
This reminds us of when nadin the medical expert demonstrated that she had no idea what the common medical term "parenteral" means. Those who pointed it out, like those who pointed out her lunacy on American milk contaminated by Fukushima, were branded as bullies. They were punished by having know-it-all nadin leave the DUmp forever. Or 36 hours. Whichever comes first.
