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Offline thundley4

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7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:00:48 PM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:29 AM
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Andrew Sullivan nails it: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
   
Edited on Mon May-02-11 11:30 AM by Recursion
2 years without torture, and we get the info to put a bullet in his face.

EDIT: the link: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/05/how-wil...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1011658

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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:32 AM
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1. Actually...
   
They're saying info about the courier came from CIA interrogators and KSM
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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:33 AM
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2. Everything I've read said they got to the courier within the last 2 years (nt)

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zaj (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:41 AM
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5. NBC reported that the info on the Courier came from Gitmo in 2004.

:ohsnap: :ohsnap:

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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:44 AM
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6. Ah crap. There goes that argument (nt)

Let the spin begin.

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socialist_n_TN   (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:48 AM
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7. Not necessarily. I remember seeing some
   
testimony where one of the high level assets that was held at Guantanimo gave BAD info under torture, but good info under regular interrogation. We don't know if this info came from waterboarding or regular interrogation. I would put my money on the regular interrogation.

As to Gitmo, the captured asset that gave up the info, could have been detained anywhere as long as we weren't torturing him.

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seabeyond   (1000+ posts)             Mon May-02-11 12:35 PM
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9. i am not buying. want a link or more. first 2004. saw 2007. most all is two years ago
   
found the carriers and followed a year ago. house came to attention 8 months ago

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Rage for Order   (1000+ posts)             Mon May-02-11 05:44 PM
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21. The information came from interrogations in Gitmo. Link here:
   
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/02reconstr...

Detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

American intelligence officials said Sunday night that they finally learned the courier’s real name four years ago, but that it took another two years for them to learn the general region where he operated.
:ohsnap: :ohsnap: :ohsnap:

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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 05:50 PM
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22. OK, so torture got them a name, actual interrogation got them something actionable
   
If they had started that way, he might have been dead four years ago rather than Sunday.

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seabeyond   (1000+ posts)             Mon May-02-11 05:52 PM
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23. so they got a name and did nothing. obama stepped in and worked it adn this is what we got.
   
i can work with this, lol

thanks

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demwing   (1000+ posts)             Mon May-02-11 12:43 PM
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11. In his address, Obam, stated that the info came in August of last year
   
not 2004

The Messiah has spoken and the Kool-Aid goes down easy.

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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 05:07:00 PM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 05:50 PM
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22. OK, so torture got them a name, actual interrogation got them something actionable  
If they had started that way, he might have been dead four years ago rather than Sunday.


Recursion has been drooling over Atman/Texastoast's posts too often.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 05:08:53 PM »
Sorry DUmbasses - there is no way you will be able to give this victory to Obama - as this was a product of the ongoing military action in Afghanistan he inherited.... See how that works, primitives ?






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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 05:13:46 PM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 05:50 PM
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22. OK, so torture got them a name, actual interrogation got them something actionable 
If they had started that way, he might have been dead four years ago rather than Sunday.

Golly.

It never occurred to us to ask for actionable information.

We're such sillies.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 05:17:31 PM »
It's only been in the past year or so that Jack Bauer has had time to work on it.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 05:50:31 PM »
I miss the days when they told us that Bush had Bin Laden on ice in the white house basement.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 05:56:28 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 02, 2011, 05:50:31 PM
I miss the days when they told us that Bush had Bin Laden on ice in the white house basement.
 :-)

There were some threads like that, but they either sank or were moved.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 05:59:01 PM »
Hey DUmmies, I would have been real slow to take him down as well.  Why not?  Observe who enters and who leaves, run some trucks past and maybe pull info off their computers without their knowledge, ya know just generally bust the whole damn network.  To Obama's and Bush's credit I think that is what they did.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 06:42:17 PM »
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:32 AM
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They're saying info about the courier came from CIA interrogators and KSM


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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 07:00:55 PM »
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts)           Mon May-02-11 11:32 AM
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They're saying info about the courier came from CIA interrogators and KSM

Next DUmp DUAC campaign: Clemency for KSM.
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Re: 7 years with torture yielded no progress on UBL
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 07:11:59 PM »
My thoughts....use more water.
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