DUmp loses one more object of uncritical hatred

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

First, the OP:

Zorra (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Apr-29-11 02:23 PM
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Thomas Jefferson on kings:
   
I was much an enemy to monarchies before I came to Europe. I am ten thousand times more so, since I have seen what they are. There is scarcely an evil known in these countries, which may not be traced to their king, as its source, nor a good, which is not derived from the small fibres of republicanism existing among them.

THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to General Washington, May 2, 1788

Then the knee-jerk reaction:

Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Apr-29-11 02:28 PM
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2. Ironic, coming from a slave owner. (nt)

And then the smack-down:
 

Zorra (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Apr-29-11 02:44 PM
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7. Thomas Jefferson and slavery
   
Thomas Jefferson is often singled out for scorn by the politically correct historical revisionist crowd because of the apparent dichotomy between his public rhetoric and his personal actions. Jefferson was a slaveholder by inheritance, and he was prohibited by Virginia law from freeing them, a law he sought to overturn with his first act in the Virginia legislature. Though Monticello was deeply in debt at the time of Jefferson's death, in his will he arranged for the freedom of a number of his slaves, and as Captain Edmund Bacon, overseer at Monticello from 1806-22, noted after Jefferson's death, "I think he would have freed all of them if his affairs had not been so much involved that he could not do it."

Jefferson's actions throughout his life demonstrated an abhorrence of slavery, an institution which, he wrote, "is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other." When Jefferson was asked to pen Virginia's constitution, his first proposals included a clause stipulating that all people born on Virginia soil would be born free.

Jefferson also wrote the Ordinance of 1784, a preliminary draft of the Northwest Ordinance, which would govern the land between the Appalachians and the Mississippi River. Jefferson included in his bill a clause that would have prohibited slavery in these new territories after 1800. When this measure was blocked in Congress by just one vote, Jefferson lamented, "The voice of a single individual ... would have prevented this abominable crime from spreading itself over the new country. Thus we see the fate of millions unborn hanging on the tongue of one man, and Heaven was silent in that awful moment!" Jefferson, certain that God's wrath would not be forever stilled, said: "We must await with patience the workings of an overruling Providence, and hope that He is preparing the deliverance of these, our suffering brethren. When the measure of their tears shall be full, when their groans shall have involved heaven itself in darkness, doubtless a God of justice will awaken to their distress, and by diffusing light and liberality among their oppressors, or, at length, by His exterminating thunder, manifest His attention to the things of this world....

"Jefferson's magnum opus, the Declaration of Independence, was amended to strike a ringing condemnation of King George's promotion of the slave trade: "He has waged cruel war upon human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce."

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/issue07/jefferson...

emphasis mine

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x988118

[JohnnyReb]

Just like bowling pins....set'em up and knock'em down.

[Tucker]

patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Apr-29-11 02:56 PM
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12. Didn't he also fight the central bankers? Which means he knew where slavery comes from,
   
his own, and that of those under his SES.

They came from Negro's who kidnapped them from African and sold them to the elitists in the northeast. 

[franksolich]

They came from Negro's who kidnapped them from African and sold them to the elitists in the northeast.

You know, one get the idea that the primitives think the Portuguese, Spaniards, English, and all that, invaded the continent of Africa and carried away the natives to become slaves in the New World.

Yeah, right.

The Europeans didn't dare go inside Africa; it was all too strange and mysterious and killing (i.e., diseases) to them.

It was just easier to pull the ship up to some cove or bay, and barter with the nearby African chieftains for slaves, who were other Africans captured by.....Africans.

Some Africans became mighty wealthy in the slave trade.

[DefiantSix]

You know, one get the idea that the primitives think the Portuguese, Spaniards, English, and all that, invaded the continent of Africa and carried away the natives to become slaves in the New World.

Yeah, right.

The Europeans didn't dare go inside Africa; it was all too strange and mysterious and killing (i.e., diseases) to them.

It was just easier to pull the ship up to some cove or bay, and barter with the nearby African chieftains for slaves, who were other Africans captured by.....Africans.

Some Africans became mighty wealthy in the slave trade.

I have a friend that was assigned to a MASH unit when the Army was running some exercise or other in Ghana.  When the unit got in country, the XO and a liaison officer from the locals gathered all the "African Americans" of the unit for a little informational briefing.  Said liaison officer informer them that while they were in his country, they were welcome - as AMERICANS.  He then elaborated on the relationship a little bit:  "You are the sons of those tribes we defeated in battle and sold into slavery and exile in exchange for your father's lives.  You ARE NOT fellow Africans, nor will we tolerate such presumptions from you."

[Tucker]

I have a friend that was assigned to a MASH unit when the Army was running some exercise or other in Ghana.  When the unit got in country, the XO and a liaison officer from the locals gathered all the "African Americans" of the unit for a little informational briefing.  Said liaison officer informer them that while they were in his country, they were welcome - as AMERICANS.  He then elaborated on the relationship a little bit:  "You are the sons of those tribes we defeated in battle and sold into slavery and exile in exchange for your father's lives.  You ARE NOT fellow Africans, nor will we tolerate such presumptions from you."

Interesting. No DUmmy would believe it though.

Thanks.

[Skul]

Interesting. No DUmmy would believe it though.

Thanks.

I believe you're right.
Nuff said.