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Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« on: April 05, 2008, 05:31:06 PM »
Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells
By DEBORAH SONTAG
Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee.

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

“We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System.

Linda M. Weiss, a spokeswoman for the not-for-profit hospital, said the Clinton campaign had never contacted the hospital to check the accuracy of the story, which Mrs. Clinton had first heard from a Meigs County, Ohio, sheriff’s deputy in late February.

A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said candidates would frequently retell stories relayed to them, vetting them when possible. “In this case, we did try but were not able to fully vet it,” Mr. Elleithee said. “If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that.”

The sheriff’s deputy, Bryan Holman, had played host to Mrs. Clinton in his home before the Ohio primary. Deputy Holman said in a telephone interview that a conversation about health care led him to relate the story of Ms. Bachtel. He never mentioned the name of the hospital that supposedly turned her away because he did not know it, he said.

Deputy Holman knew Ms. Bachtel’s story only secondhand, having learned it from close relatives of the woman. Ms. Bachtel’s relatives did not return phone calls Friday.

As Deputy Holman understood it, Ms. Bachtel had died of complications from a stillbirth after being turned away by a local hospital for her failure to pay $100 upfront.

“I mentioned this story to Senator Clinton, and she apparently took to it and liked it,” Deputy Holman said, “and one of her aides said she’d be using it at some rallies.”

Indeed, saying that the story haunted her, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly offered it as a dire example of a broken health care system. At one March rally in Wyoming, for instance, she referred to Ms. Bachtel, a 35-year-old who managed a Pizza Hut, as a young, uninsured minimum-wage worker, saying, “It hurts me that in our country, as rich and good of a country as we are, this young woman and her baby died because she couldn’t come up with $100 to see the doctor.”

Mrs. Clinton does not name Ms. Bachtel or the hospital in her speeches. As she tells it, the woman was turned away twice by a local hospital when she was experiencing difficulty with her pregnancy. “The hospital said, ‘Well, you don’t have insurance.’ She said, ‘No, I don’t.’ They said, ‘Well, we can’t see you until you give $100.’ She said, ‘Where am I going to get $100?’

“The next time she came back to the hospital, she came in an ambulance,” Mrs. Clinton continued. “She was in distress. The doctors and the nurses worked on her and couldn’t save the baby.”

Since Ms. Bachtel’s baby died at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital, the story implicitly and inaccurately accuses that hospital of turning her away, said Ms. Weiss, the spokeswoman for O’Bleness Memorial said. Instead, the O’Bleness health care system treated her, both at the hospital and at the affiliated River Rose Obstetrics and Gynecology practice, Ms. Weiss said.

The hospital would not provide details about the woman’s case, citing privacy concerns; she died two weeks after the stillbirth at a medical center in Columbus.

“We reviewed the medical and patient account records of this patient,” said Mr. Castrop, the health system’s chief executive. Any implication that the system was “involved in denying care is definitely not true.”

Although Mrs. Clinton has told the story repeatedly, it first came to the attention of the hospital after The Washington Post cited it as a staple of her stump speeches on Thursday. That brought it to the attention of The Daily Sentinel in Pomeroy, Ohio, which published an article on Friday.

Neither paper named the hospital or challenged Mrs. Clinton’s account.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&ei=5090&en=7824b4f8ea3b363d&ex=1365134400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

So the candidate who claims she's been "tested and vetted" doesn't bother to fact check her stories?
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2008, 06:07:35 PM »

hillary, lie?  no WAY! :whatever: :-)

did you catch her tearing up during her MLK speech?  the anecdote about her shaking his hand and throwing her bookbag across her dormroom when he was assassinated seemed 100% fiction.  probably simply because it came out of her mouth.


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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2008, 06:10:25 PM »
Doesn't surprise me at all. I missed it but I'm sure it will be all over the internets.
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2008, 06:17:19 PM »
Doesn't surprise me at all. I missed it but I'm sure it will be all over the internets.

it's so typically clintonian;  after the whole bonsia thing was exposed as a sham and a lie, a normal person would have foregone personal anecdotes altogether for a while.  but nooooo, the clintons are utterly shameless.

 

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2008, 06:20:12 PM »
I'm just waiting for the tears again. I think they have a playbook and she's just running through them.
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 06:21:05 PM »
How many whoppers does that make from Hillary now? She not only has no shame, she has no conscience.
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 06:34:11 PM »
I'm just waiting for the tears again. I think they have a playbook and she's just running through them.

you know, maybe the whole "clinton campaign machine lethality" is a big myth.  they did manage to survive scandal after scandal, and even impeachment, once they were in office, but they were only in office to begin with thanks to ross perot.  well, ross perot in the first election, but the fact that we nominated sort of a stiff in the second election had something to do with it.

I keep thinking that she has some nuclear warhead poised to drop on him at just the right moment, but that moment has long since passed.  she has run just a crappy, crappy campaign.  she deserves to lose.



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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 10:55:16 PM »
I live in central Ohio and I have never heard story #1 here, and I know a few hard luck cases, who have been turned away for care. In fact try taking your kid to a central Ohio emergency room and you are bound to wait 4-5 hours while every immigrant new to the state sits for their freebie health care. Funny how her relatives, who supposedly told the story originally, have nothing to say. Something tells me we had a bunch of angry relatives speculating over something even they only knew secondhand. I also have always wondered in these situations if something like this were true, how things could have been different if every angry relative gave up a pack or two of smokes and kicked that in towards the 100 dollar copay? Things that make you go, hmmm.

BTW, that's the first sign this story is shit...never heard of someone uninsured having to come up with what sounds like a copay, nor do most hospitals in the ER collect copays when you come in, they normally bill you for those, at least that's been my case in both urgent cares and ERs..they don't work like the doctor's office collecting copays upfront. Actually what this speaks to is Clinton's total disconnect from the reality of most people. Just a basic knowledge of what us average Joes and Jessicas go through or have to do would have raised red flags for her, but she apparently doesn't know shit about what the average American does from day to day or to get their needs met.

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 10:59:36 AM »
I live in central Ohio and I have never heard story #1 here, and I know a few hard luck cases, who have been turned away for care. In fact try taking your kid to a central Ohio emergency room and you are bound to wait 4-5 hours while every immigrant new to the state sits for their freebie health care. Funny how her relatives, who supposedly told the story originally, have nothing to say. Something tells me we had a bunch of angry relatives speculating over something even they only knew secondhand. I also have always wondered in these situations if something like this were true, how things could have been different if every angry relative gave up a pack or two of smokes and kicked that in towards the 100 dollar copay? Things that make you go, hmmm.

BTW, that's the first sign this story is shit...never heard of someone uninsured having to come up with what sounds like a copay, nor do most hospitals in the ER collect copays when you come in, they normally bill you for those, at least that's been my case in both urgent cares and ERs..they don't work like the doctor's office collecting copays upfront. Actually what this speaks to is Clinton's total disconnect from the reality of most people. Just a basic knowledge of what us average Joes and Jessicas go through or have to do would have raised red flags for her, but she apparently doesn't know shit about what the average American does from day to day or to get their needs met.
You nailed it jty! So many great points!!!

And of course the hospital is kind of stuck here because privacy concerns and potential litigation preventng them from issuing a statement explaining their side and what really happened. Which, I bet is like you described.

I too have never seen anyone turned away and have sat in E.R.'s full of "immigrants".

Clinton should have just said, "let them eat cake".
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 11:20:54 AM »
I live in central Ohio and I have never heard story #1 here, and I know a few hard luck cases, who have been turned away for care. In fact try taking your kid to a central Ohio emergency room and you are bound to wait 4-5 hours while every immigrant new to the state sits for their freebie health care. Funny how her relatives, who supposedly told the story originally, have nothing to say. Something tells me we had a bunch of angry relatives speculating over something even they only knew secondhand. I also have always wondered in these situations if something like this were true, how things could have been different if every angry relative gave up a pack or two of smokes and kicked that in towards the 100 dollar copay? Things that make you go, hmmm.

BTW, that's the first sign this story is shit...never heard of someone uninsured having to come up with what sounds like a copay, nor do most hospitals in the ER collect copays when you come in, they normally bill you for those, at least that's been my case in both urgent cares and ERs..they don't work like the doctor's office collecting copays upfront. Actually what this speaks to is Clinton's total disconnect from the reality of most people. Just a basic knowledge of what us average Joes and Jessicas go through or have to do would have raised red flags for her, but she apparently doesn't know shit about what the average American does from day to day or to get their needs met.
You nailed it jty! So many great points!!!

And of course the hospital is kind of stuck here because privacy concerns and potential litigation preventng them from issuing a statement explaining their side and what really happened. Which, I bet is like you described.

I too have never seen anyone turned away and have sat in E.R.'s full of "immigrants".

Clinton should have just said, "let them eat cake".

I had a stroke and was taken to the E.R. in 1995 with no insurance.  They didn't inquire about my insurance until the day I was leaving, one week later.

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 11:44:22 AM »
How many whoppers does that make from Hillary now? She not only has no shame, she has no conscience.

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 06:41:01 PM »
How many whoppers does that make from Hillary now? She not only has no shame, she has no conscience.

Every time she opens her mouth it's a new lie.  What amazes me are the delusional supporters she still has. Speaking of which, where's TNO to tell us we're all wrong on this.  :whatever:
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 09:24:15 PM »
How many whoppers does that make from Hillary now? She not only has no shame, she has no conscience.

Every time she opens her mouth it's a new lie.  What amazes me are the delusional supporters she still has. Speaking of which, where's TNO to tell us we're all wrong on this.  :whatever:

In this case, she's selling her campaign on hearsay. Is that how she plans to run executive policy as well?

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 10:17:42 PM »
The family's pissed:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04062008/news/nationalnews/a_painful_lie_105295.htm
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A PAINFUL 'LIE'
DEAD MA'S KIN SLAM HILL FABLE
By GINGER ADAMS OTIS

April 6, 2008 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton "misspoke" again on the campaign trail - and a distraught Ohio family is furious about it.

Several times in recent months while talking about her plan for universal health care, Clinton told a tale of woe about a young pregnant woman who sought medical care at a local hospital and was turned away for lack of insurance - and both she and the baby died.

But the family of the 35-year-old woman - Trina Bachtel - says the story is simply not true.

"Trina had good insurance. She was a good girl, and she worked hard. That story made her look like she was a welfare bum," her 80-year-old grandmother May Mayle told The Post yesterday.

Mayle confirmed that Bachtel died last August from complications related to a late-pregnancy miscarriage, but said she was never turned away from a hospital.

"The family is real torn up about it. I can't understand why they'd make her out to look like she was so unstable," said Mayle.

As Clinton told the story during campaign rallies, the young, pregnant woman in difficulty was turned down for treatment because she was uninsured and couldn't pay $100 up front.

She didn't name Bachtel or the hospital involved, but after the Washington Post ran a story identifying her and where she worked - a Pizza Hut in Pomeroy, Ohio - local papers made it front-page news, horrifying her still-grieving family.

"Of course she would have had $100," fumed Mayle. "Her boyfriend's real angry about it, too, because he had good insurance. They were going to get married, but worked so hard they couldn't find the time."

Clinton apparently learned of the story from one of her local supporters, Deputy Sheriff Bryan Holman. He told papers he heard it secondhand from Bachtel family members. At an event with Sen. Clinton, he related it to her.

"She tells the story as it was told to her by the deputy sheriff," a Clinton spokesperson said. "She had no reason to doubt his word."

Mayle said Bachtel went to the O'Bleness Memorial Hospital on Aug. 4 for a routine check-up and was told her baby was stillborn.

"They told her to come back the next day, and she did, and they made her deliver the baby even though he was dead. Then she just didn't get better."

The family transferred her to a different facility in Columbus, where she died Aug. 17.

The Clinton camp told papers it had tried to check out as much of Holman's story as was possible, but hadn't been able verify all the details.
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 06:37:22 AM »
Bless her heart. Sounds like she may have had an infection that was undetected that took the baby too and was already running its course in her body. There is a certain strep they test you for late in pregnancy that can be fatal like this--can't recall though when they do the test.  From her family's description she sounds like she has all her duck's in a row and just met her fate sadly. It happens and I'm sure grief over her stillborn infant didn't help her fight off whatever it was that she was dealing with. This family deserves sympathy for the tragic loss of a daughter and grandchild and fiancee to what looks to be a very unfortunate fate of nature, not the Clinton's dirty fingers all over her memory.

Kudos to the family for coming out. Extra kudos to the aged grandmother for not liking them making her granddaughter look like a 'welfare bum'.  :lmao: That's gonna sting more then the Clinton's. Apologies in advance for making light in this particular instance.

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 07:21:18 AM »
Doesn't surprise me at all. I missed it but I'm sure it will be all over the internets.
Hannity was all over it last night.  He had a HUGE list of lies she told.
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2008, 08:20:17 AM »

this wouldn't be a problem if liberal candidates didn't have this irresistible compulsion to tell
anecdotes about the horrible life that some individual that they met is leading, or the disaster
that befell someone or other, in order to prove how much they "care". 

see me caring?  see here?  HEY LOOK AT ME CARING, DAMMIT!!!  AND GET IN ON CAMERA!!!


having said all that, it's amazing that this has turned into the issue that it has.  it seems like
about a zillionth as big an issue as the rev. wright thing, and that is all but buried by the MSM

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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 10:25:04 AM »
I just saw Clinton giving a speech - not sure where or when but it aired on CNN Headline News...anyway...she was going on and on about how it "wasn't fair that a Wall Street banker who makes $50 million a year pays less taxes than a ________ (can't remember what occupation she cited) who makes $50k a year." And they were talking about her plan to take oil profits and put them into an energy fund. Oy vey...

I nearly fell over!!! Especially considering the recent revelations about the Clinton tax returns. Bitch has got balls!!!!!
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2008, 10:29:53 AM »
I just saw Clinton giving a speech - not sure where or when but it aired on CNN Headline News...anyway...she was going on and on about how it "wasn't fair that a Wall Street banker who makes $50 million a year pays less taxes than a ________ (can't remember what occupation she cited) who makes $50k a year." And they were talking about her plan to take oil profits and put them into an energy fund. Oy vey...

I nearly fell over!!! Especially considering the recent revelations about the Clinton tax returns. Bitch has got balls!!!!!

maybe she got them because of a health care screw up in an ohio hospital. :-)

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2008, 10:30:41 AM »
^Bwahahaha!!!
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Re: Ohio hospital contests a story Clinton tells
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 10:03:23 AM »
UPDATE - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2008/04/15/krugman-comes-clean-after-recycling-story-his-own-paper-debunked

Reason 3496839468 to never trust the media.  :whatever:

I assume that krugman is an obamite, and was sifting furiously through hillary's speeches to find something to deflect attention from the wright story.  that's the kind of activity they usually reserve for our candidate.