Daughter & Dad Reunite, Make Baby

[CactusCarlos]

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Daughter & Dad Reunite, Make Baby
Posted by Liberal_in_LA on Mon Mar-28-11 04:37 PM

    Daughter & Dad Reunite, Make Baby

    It would have been a beautiful reunion story. Last year, Penny Lawrence, 28, set out to find her birth father whom she had never met. From her home in Ireland, she was able to track Garry Ryan, 46, down in Texas. They met, connected ... and then connected a little too much. She's now pregnant with his baby.

    It is beyond disturbing and completely and utterly unfathomable to me that something like this could happen, but they act as if it's the most natural, beautiful thing in the world. They say they're in love and deny that it's incest. Instead they say they are victims of Genetic Sexual Attraction. Lawrence told The Sun:

    We are not committing incest, but are victims of GSA. We’ve never experienced a father-daughter relationship, so we’re just like any other strangers who meet in adulthood.

    http://thestir.cafemom.com/pregnancy/117968/daughter_dad_reunite_make_baby

"C'mon Cactus, even DUmmies would be disgusted by this.  Nothing to see here."

You'd be wrong

According to the bible,
Posted by Another Bill C. on Mon Mar-28-11 04:48 PM

    we are all descended from a brother-sister, mother-son, or father-daughter coupling (or maybe all of the above. Lot had sons with two of his daughters and they grew up to be tribal leaders -- this after entire cities had been destroyed for decadent behavior.

    These were consenting adults who went willingly into this relationship.

Not their fault, they were born that way.

It's called "genetic sexual attraction" -
Posted by Hell Hath No Fury on Mon Mar-28-11 05:06 PM

    And apparently happens much more often that we think:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction

    Genetic sexual attraction (GSA) is a term that describes the phenomenon of sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring, who first meet as adults.

    The term GSA was first coined in the US in the late 1980s by Barbara Gonyo, the founder of Truth Seekers In Adoption, a Chicago-based support group for adoptees and their new-found relative.

    GSA is presumed to occur as a consequence of adoption, when the adopted children knowingly or unknowingly encounter biological relatives. Although this is a rare consequence of adoptive reunions, the large number of adoptive reunions in recent years means that a larger number of people (about half) are affected. If a sexual relationship is entered, it is known as incest, and may be distressing to both parties (see incest taboo).

    GSA is rare between people raised together in early childhood due to a reverse sexual imprinting known as the Westermarck effect, which desensitizes them to later close sexual attraction; it is hypothesized that this effect evolved to prevent inbreeding.

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2003/may/17/weekend7.weekend2

[ExGeeEye]

I guess we'll have to add "GSA" to "LGBQTBMWFDAINC"--- and call for it to be legalized and solemnized in marriage--- and if someone accidentally thinks that means ot's OK to go after Girl Scouts, well, people are born wanting to do that too, and we oughtta let 'em.

[Boudicca]

Ick.  For the mental health of that child, it needs to be raised by someone else, and preferably never have to know its parentage, although I guess that isn't possible since the kid will have to be warned of potential health problems.

OTOH I don't get the general feeling of first and second cousins being off limits.  Roughly one-tenth of the world's marriages occur between either first or second cousins.  Plus, it's almost a guarantee that if you trace your family tree back far enough you are going to find some cousin marriages on the branches.  It may NOW be forbidden or sneered at in this country, but that's a far cry from how the frontier was settled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

[Rebel]

RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-28-11 09:10 PM

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34. I'm speechless. Have no words for this.
   
I'm a liberal person, but incest is beyond my comprehension.

Decipher that.

[compaqxp]

Incest sickens me, there is nothing right about it.

Whenever I hear about it all I can think of is a family from this area called the Golers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goler_clan). Every area has them and we all know what they're like.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Incest sickens me, there is nothing right about it.

Whenever I hear about it all I can think of is a family from this area called the Golers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goler_clan). Every area has them and we all know what they're like.

Wow!  kind of reminds me of this documentary...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240641/ Very disturbing documentary.

[Freeper]

Incest sickens me, there is nothing right about it.

Whenever I hear about it all I can think of is a family from this area called the Golers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goler_clan). Every area has them and we all know what they're like.

I have to ask you this, I've seen a few of your posts lately. Are you sure, you are a liberal?
 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Ick.  For the mental health of that child, it needs to be raised by someone else, and preferably never have to know its parentage, although I guess that isn't possible since the kid will have to be warned of potential health problems.

Socially unacceptable as it may be, genetics is pretty much a 'Garbage in, garbage out' proposition; unless the father is carrying some extraordinarily bad genetic freight, the odds of it having any unusual genetic effect in the first generation of this situation are very remote. 

Successive generations of it, that's another story entirely.  Like with stock animals, it's 'successful line breeding' for a generation plus when you start with sound genetics, but 'excessive inbreeding' when the bad recessives ultimately get too reinforced.

[Vagabond]

Ick.  For the mental health of that child, it needs to be raised by someone else, and preferably never have to know its parentage, although I guess that isn't possible since the kid will have to be warned of potential health problems.

OTOH I don't get the general feeling of first and second cousins being off limits.  Roughly one-tenth of the world's marriages occur between either first or second cousins.  Plus, it's almost a guarantee that if you trace your family tree back far enough you are going to find some cousin marriages on the branches.  It may NOW be forbidden or sneered at in this country, but that's a far cry from how the frontier was settled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

Well cousin marriage does have the advantage of massive genetic problems if it goes on long enough.  There are some dangerously inbred people that live in Southern Maryland.  Apparently quite a few generations passed with only a two or three family names even in Saint Mary's county.  I asked a few of them why they continue to marrying within that same genetic group when the damage is obvious.  Their response amounted to, "well the damage is already done."

[Boudicca]

Decipher that.

Liberals are generally in favor of incest?  Dunno, but that's the way the disclaimer of I'm a liberal, but, comes across.

[Boudicca]

Socially unacceptable as it may be, genetics is pretty much a 'Garbage in, garbage out' proposition; unless the father is carrying some extraordinarily bad genetic freight, the odds of it having any unusual genetic effect in the first generation of this situation are very remote. 

Successive generations of it, that's another story entirely.  Like with stock animals, it's 'successful line breeding' for a generation plus when you start with sound genetics, but 'excessive inbreeding' when the bad recessives ultimately get too reinforced.

So maybe it's not necessary for this kid to know his grandpa is his pa?  Can't wrap my mind around that.  I can't believe those two perverts didn't even try to prevent conception.
CPS needs to get involved right now before this innocent becomes a victim.

[IassaFTots]

I have to ask you this, I've seen a few of your posts lately. Are you sure, you are a liberal?
 

Ya just never know.