Uh oh...Chavez supports Qadaffi

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 03:40 AM
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Venezuela: US fomenting violence in Libya
   
Source: Associated Press

CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuela's top diplomat on Thursday echoed Fidel Castro's accusation that Washington is fomenting unrest in Libya to justify an invasion to seize North African nation's oil reserves.

Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro claimed the United States is trying to create a movement inside Libya aimed at toppling Moammar Gadhafi.

Maduro did not condemn or defend the violent crackdown on Libyans participating in the popular uprising against Gadhafi's long rule.

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In a Twitter message Thursday, Venezuela's leftist president said: "Viva Libya and its independence! Gadhafi is facing a civil war."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/l...

D&P says it isn't a civil war...it's an uprising!

Whatever that means, and somehow in the midst of all this the CIA is not to be trusted.

snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:00 AM
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7.  I've been having doubts about Chavez but his supporting this detestable
   
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 04:01 AM by snagglepuss
a**hole has confirmed my doubts about him.

Welcome to what the rest of us knew 10 years ago.

joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 06:10 AM
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35. In this case it's actually not ambiguous, there's no nuance.
   
Gaddafi has also been using the "civil war" meme. By mentioning "Gaddafi's civil war" Chavez is only perpetuating the meme that it is a civil war and not an uprising.

But really the entire context tells the story.

Chavez wrote on Twitter: "Canciller Nicolás: (Ven. Foreign Minister) Teach the far right yankee lovers! Long live Libya and its Independence! Gaddafi is facing a civil war!"

He wrote this after Nicolas claimed, "Libya is having difficulties which should not be handled with information from imperialist news agencies": http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/debate-parlamentario...

I don't know how to make it clearer than this.

social_critic (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 06:51 AM
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38. I live in Venezuela, I am a native Spanish speaker, and I say Chavez is backing Kaddafi
   
All the statements coming out of Castro, Ortega, and Chavez are clearly supportive of Kaddafi. They are supporting Kaddafi because they don't have a problem when the people are shot, killed, or machine gunned to sustain a dictatorship. But all three of them are known to be autocrats and/or outright tyrants. These guys pal around with each other, and they are in tight with Kaddafi.

Which reminds me, Osama bin Laden just issued a statement backing the resistance, and calling on all Muslims to fight Kaddafi AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT HIM. I'm worried we may see something happen in Caracas if al Qaida decides Chavez is their enemy.

11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:06 AM
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9. A year or two ago Chavez equated Gaddafi with Simon Bolivar
   
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 04:07 AM by 11cents
No doubt he was maliciously mistranslated. And all the footage and stories about the long-running close relationship between Gaddafi and Chavez were fakes and lies.

Lots of powerful people have some explaining to do about their relationship with Gaddafi. Some are conservative and live in DC or London or Rome; some are quasi-leftist clowns and live in places like Caracas and Harare.

Being involved in politics means making ethical demands on yourself as well as others; that means facing facts and not just rooting for a designated "good guy" like a sports fan.

totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:07 AM
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10. Can we get a comment from some of the Chavez defenders at DU?
   
I am not trying to be snarky. I am interested in what your take on this might be.

defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:12 AM
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15. imo, I'd trust Castro and Chavez before I'd trust our CIA -- !! That's for sure!!

joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:16 AM
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18. I think the CIA is probably on the ground there, and may even be helping with arms.
   
We do like to give arms out to any rebellious group. Even if there's evidence of that I don't think it should taint the overall actions of the Libyans. They've had to sacrifice a lot, they're the ones doing the uprising, not the CIA.

defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 04:26 AM
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21. And who are the CIA arming . . . mercenaries? Some suspicion of that ... !!   Updated at 5:14 AM
   
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 04:34 AM by defendandprotect
Also some question about the calling in of these mercenaries from African nations --

who's paying -- etal. $2,000 a day -- $12,000 to $30,000 per mercenary.

Would Blackwater pass that up?

Actually, Blackwater Xe has been sighted -- evidently they're there officially protecting

oil executives!

defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Feb-26-11 06:54 PM
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85. We'll see -- but US, UK, France = Global Gun Runners ... and have armed Gaddafi --   Updated at 5:14 AM
   
that's quite clear -- !!

What is this scrunt smoking?

Imagevision (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-25-11 07:04 PM
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So support Chavez and keep Qadaffi because if you don't use bloody slaughter to cruch this rebellion an oil company might do business.

OUT: No blood for oil!

IN: Blood for no oil!

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[franksolich]

What?????

Doug's stupid ex-wife hasn't showed up at this campfire yet?

[Carl]

What?????

Doug's stupid ex-wife hasn't showed up at this campfire yet?

lol!

[miskie]

Not even so much as an 'lol' which the stupid Ex posts when she has nothing to say, other than 'I dislike your post' ...  How...unusual...   

[JohnnyReb]

"Us dictators have to stick together", Chavez.

[Freeper]

PSB (Poor Stupid Beth) has entered the building,

EFerrari  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-27-11 12:06 PM
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9. His "embrace" of Gaddafi is a US media amplification.
   
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 12:07 PM by EFerrari
Not to mention, a distraction from all the Western goverments that were arming him like the UK.

ReggieVeggie  (184 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-27-11 12:11 PM
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10. Has Chavez condemned Qaddafi's violence?
   
Or will he justify continued embrace claiming its all a US plot?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Feb-27-11 12:16 PM
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13. Chavez hasn't said it is all a US plot.
   
He has said, as he always does, that he is against US meddling.

And he is a member of OPEC. He has said very little at all. Yesterday, he said he didn't support or approve of the decisions or actions that his colleagues take around the world. That's as close as he's going to get. Without OPEC, Venezuela would be screwed although it is doing more and more business with China.
   

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lol

[thundley4]

Lees than 2 years ago, moonbat extremist Cynthia McKinney heaped praise on KaDaffy.  http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/declaration-dignity-%E2%80%93-tripoli-statement