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What has organized labor done for you?
« on: February 18, 2011, 10:36:06 AM »
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What has organized labor done for you?
   
My children are getting an education rather than working 12-14 hour days.

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Go f yourself. Whats its done for me is make jobs go away and make everything more expensive.

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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 10:41:19 AM »
I've paid in over $30K to the union in 22 years. I would gladly take my chances without it.  Long before the shop unionized, the company offered health insurance and a defined method of advancement, paid holidays and vacations.

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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 10:45:08 AM »
Well, the couple of union jobs I worked on 40 years ago...they got in the way of getting the job done.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 10:45:57 AM »
Why is it the shit-for-brains ALWAYS use the "Wages will go back to pre turn of the century levels!" meme?

Do they honestly believe this?     :mental:
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 10:57:34 AM »
Why is it the shit-for-brains ALWAYS use the "Wages will go back to pre turn of the century levels!" meme?

Do they honestly believe this?     :mental:

Which may or may not be a bad thing. The old folks told me that in the 30's $5 would buy a 2 horse wagon load of groceries.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 11:04:56 AM »
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My children are getting an education rather than working 12-14 hour days.

Propaganda is an education?

News to me.  When did teacher's unionize?  And, what were the graduation to dropout ratios back then?
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 11:21:38 AM »
Go f yourself. Whats its done for me is make jobs go away and make everything more expensive.

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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 11:59:34 AM »
I remember when a new Chevy cost $2500! What does one cost now, asshole? My Dad bought a track home for $14,900! What's the price for a starter home now, DUmbass?

Yep, them unions, they really helped us out!

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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 12:01:45 PM »
I remember when a new Chevy cost $2500! What does one cost now, asshole? My Dad bought a track home for $14,900! What's the price for a starter home now, DUmbass?

Yep, them unions, they really helped us out!

FOAD, dipshit!

We are looking at houses in our neighborhood.  It's a late 60's-70's neighborhood.  Some of the really good homes built in the 1970's are going for $65,000-$75,000.  If you want a newer home, one built 2004-present, you are paying about $180K-$220K.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 12:24:50 PM »
I remember when a new Chevy cost $2500! What does one cost now, asshole? My Dad bought a track home for $14,900! What's the price for a starter home now, DUmbass?

Yep, them unions, they really helped us out!

FOAD, dipshit!

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Built 1600 sq ft brick home in '68 (did it myself) for $8900.

Bought my first new chevy pickup in 1970...$2500 cash ...with some extras on it.

Was completely out of debt and in business for myself by January of 1971 with no money or help from family.

Was doing great until 1974....the gas/fuel crisis caused me some problems.

Then 1977 Jimmy Carter and inflation really took the wind out of my sails for awhile.

1983 and onward wasn't bad at all up until 9/11/2001.

I basically retired right after 9/11/2001.

The success's of those first 4 years of my life would be hard for a young fellow to accomplish now because of the way things have changed.
 
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2011, 01:45:34 PM »
Ya know what's a real pisser? Back in the '60's and '70's they made real cars! Nowadays, even an SUV is a tin can compared to the old ones! A 2x4 used to actually be 2" x 4"!
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2011, 02:01:20 PM »
Ya know what's a real pisser? Back in the '60's and '70's they made real cars! Nowadays, even an SUV is a tin can compared to the old ones! A 2x4 used to actually be 2" x 4"!

This question has been on every employment test I ever took.

What are the dimensions of a 2"x4"?

A- 2" by 4"
B- 1 5/8" by 3 5/8"
C- 1 1/2" by 3 1/2"
D None of the above.

A, B and C are all correct measurements for a 2"x4".

A- used to be the measurement of the rough cut cant as it came off the log at the sawmill.

B- was what it was planed to if it was planed while still "green".

C- is the nominal measurement for a "dried" 2"x4" like you buy at the building supply store.

and therefore D should have been "All of the above"

Never could explain that to the testers.

Have they made that question more specific in the last 20 years?

 

 
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2011, 02:33:56 PM »
This question has been on every employment test I ever took.

What are the dimensions of a 2"x4"?

A- 2" by 4"
B- 1 5/8" by 3 5/8"
C- 1 1/2" by 3 1/2"
D None of the above.

A, B and C are all correct measurements for a 2"x4".

A- used to be the measurement of the rough cut cant as it came off the log at the sawmill.

B- was what it was planed to if it was planed while still "green".

C- is the nominal measurement for a "dried" 2"x4" like you buy at the building supply store.

and therefore D should have been "All of the above"

Never could explain that to the testers.

Have they made that question more specific in the last 20 years?

 

 

Hell no! None of the above is exactly what I woulda answered! If they marked it wrong, I woulda brought my micrometer and a 2x4 in order to prove my point!

Hell some of 'em barely make 3¼, for cripes sake! Now the new thing is they've shaved a 32nt off the plywood! ya can't buy ¼" any more, it's 7/32nt! Goes right up the line, too!
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2011, 03:13:07 PM »
Hell no! None of the above is exactly what I woulda answered! If they marked it wrong, I woulda brought my micrometer and a 2x4 in order to prove my point!

Hell some of 'em barely make 3¼, for cripes sake! Now the new thing is they've shaved a 32nt off the plywood! ya can't buy ¼" any more, it's 7/32nt! Goes right up the line, too!

Yeah, I know that but the idiots that make out the test don't.

....and they're the smart, educated ones....Right?

....and 1/2" plywood is more like 7/16".
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2011, 03:16:05 PM »
Well, it provided me several easy wins as a labor attorney, in cases they should have known better than to take to court, arrogant shits that they were.  I do have to say there was one time I can remember when they were actually trying to rectify something for an employee who had been done wrong, but I went to bat to settle that one on a fair basis instead of fighting them on it.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2011, 09:04:11 PM »
Yeah, I know that but the idiots that make out the test don't.

....and they're the smart, educated ones....Right?

....and 1/2" plywood is more like 7/16".

Well if ya put a mike on it, it will measure 15/32nts. But they still sell it at 1/2", and whats worse is, the engineers still use 1/2" in the formulas!
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2011, 09:34:13 PM »
Organized labor has never done a damned thing for me, probably because I'm not part of a union and never have been.

It's one of the few things I can agree with Lenin on; he busted the unions in Russia because he believed they were out for themselves and didn't care about the country as a whole. Sure, he thought that was all part and parcel of capitalism, but aside from that, hard to argue.

The only thing organized labor might do for me is break my legs because I'm not union.


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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2011, 09:56:48 PM »
Organized labor has never done a damned thing for me, probably because I'm not part of a union and never have been.

It's one of the few things I can agree with Lenin on; he busted the unions in Russia because he believed they were out for themselves and didn't care about the country as a whole. Sure, he thought that was all part and parcel of capitalism, but aside from that, hard to argue.

The only thing organized labor might do for me is break my legs because I'm not union.

When Hanford shut down because it turned into hazardous waste, I had a bunch of carpenters come lookin' for work when I was buildin' a ShopKO. For my freinds that never heard of them, think K-Mart, 300,000 sq ft.

The first day these guys showed up, I took them out on the floor and started walkin' toward their job assignment. The whole time I was explainin' what they needed to get done.

Well I got to the other end and turned around, and these guys were still only about half way across the floor! I had been talkin' to myself the whole time! I walk pretty fast when I have to get things done, so I am used to bein' in in front with my guys trailin' behind me tryin' to keep up, but this was ridiculous!

That's pretty much how they performed the whole job. If it hadn't been for my boss, who knew one of them, I woulda fired 'em the first ****in' day!

"Useless" is the only word I can come up with.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2011, 09:59:58 PM »
When Hanford shut down because it turned into hazardous waste, I had a bunch of carpenters come lookin' for work when I was buildin' a ShopKO. For my freinds that never heard of them, think K-Mart, 300,000 sq ft.

The first day these guys showed up, I took them out on the floor and started walkin' toward their job assignment. The whole time I was explainin' what they needed to get done.

Well I got to the other end and turned around, and these guys were still only about half way across the floor! I had been talkin' to myself the whole time! I walk pretty fast when I have to get things done, so I am used to bein' in in front with my guys trailin' behind me tryin' to keep up, but this was ridiculous!

That's pretty much how they performed the whole job. If it hadn't been for my boss, who knew one of them, I woulda fired 'em the first ****in' day!

"Useless" is the only word I can come up with.

That's the stereotype of unions that I've always heard, that they are quick to protest but slow to actually work.

Like most stereotypes, it seems to be grounded in fact. Hell, I just look at the teachers who are striking in Madison while the kids are home from school, not being tended to by the people who went to school to learn how to become educators in the first place.


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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2011, 10:35:35 PM »
That's the stereotype of unions that I've always heard, that they are quick to protest but slow to actually work.

Like most stereotypes, it seems to be grounded in fact. Hell, I just look at the teachers who are striking in Madison while the kids are home from school, not being tended to by the people who went to school to learn how to become educators in the first place.

I got another one for ya.

I was loaned out thru my company to the local Electric utility when they were remodelin' there cubicles. Bein' they were high dollar, they had their own stuff engineered. Didn't fit or work with anything else on the market.

When I started, it took me a little while to figure out how the pieces fit together. After I had it down, I could move the stuff around in no time at all. After the third day, the union guys started sendin' others around to "talk" to me. The idea, as I found out later, was to slow me down. Apparently I was so out performing their guys it made the union look bad.

As it ended up, they sent me to a warehouse where I welded carts together to move their parts around. I was the only guy there.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2011, 07:13:58 AM »
I used to make deliveries to the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant when it was under construction.
I watched union members at work. Five guys would watch one guy dig a hole. They all had shovels, but they stood all day chatting. 6 people doing the work of ONE. That will always define Union Labor to me.

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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2011, 07:46:40 AM »
In North Platte, NE Union Pacific is huge, and obviously union.  Someone we knew managed to get a job there, and totally messed up his first day on the job.  He was sitting around with nothing to do, with the rest of his crew, because their assigned train wasn't in yet or something, and he tried to throw something in the trash.  The trash can was completely full, so he grabbed out the bag and asked someone where he could put it...nearly got fired on the spot for doing someone else's job!  How DARE he do a job that belongs to someone else!!  Was he trying to put someone out of job??? 

So he put the bag back, and sat down with everyone one else for a couple more hours until their assignment came in.

He thought about quitting because he hates being bored, but it's tough to quit a job that pays nearly double what any other job pays in the area. 

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The wife of another union employee was once talking to me about how sick her husband had been and the medication the doctor prescribed for him.  As it happened, we'd recently gone to the same doctor and gotten the same prescription for one of us.  The medicine cost $100 a day.  Seriously!  $100 a day.  I had refused the scrip, called the doctor's office and got the prescription changed to something reasonable for a total cost of about $30 for 10 days.  So I asked her what she'd thought of the very high price of the meds, and she had no idea.  In fact, she was very insulted that I would think that mattered.  Their insurance covered the whole cost, and of course they were going to use the medication prescribed, who cares how much it cost??  Never mind that a 10 day dose of amoxicillin would do the SAME THING.  This entitlement attitude is one that I see in many union employees and dependents, unfortunately.
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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2011, 10:30:03 AM »
I got another one for ya.

I was loaned out thru my company to the local Electric utility when they were remodelin' there cubicles. Bein' they were high dollar, they had their own stuff engineered. Didn't fit or work with anything else on the market.

When I started, it took me a little while to figure out how the pieces fit together. After I had it down, I could move the stuff around in no time at all. After the third day, the union guys started sendin' others around to "talk" to me. The idea, as I found out later, was to slow me down. Apparently I was so out performing their guys it made the union look bad.

As it ended up, they sent me to a warehouse where I welded carts together to move their parts around. I was the only guy there.

I used to make deliveries to the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant when it was under construction.
I watched union members at work. Five guys would watch one guy dig a hole. They all had shovels, but they stood all day chatting. 6 people doing the work of ONE. That will always define Union Labor to me.

In North Platte, NE Union Pacific is huge, and obviously union.  Someone we knew managed to get a job there, and totally messed up his first day on the job.  He was sitting around with nothing to do, with the rest of his crew, because their assigned train wasn't in yet or something, and he tried to throw something in the trash.  The trash can was completely full, so he grabbed out the bag and asked someone where he could put it...nearly got fired on the spot for doing someone else's job!  How DARE he do a job that belongs to someone else!!  Was he trying to put someone out of job??? 

So he put the bag back, and sat down with everyone one else for a couple more hours until their assignment came in.

He thought about quitting because he hates being bored, but it's tough to quit a job that pays nearly double what any other job pays in the area. 

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The wife of another union employee was once talking to me about how sick her husband had been and the medication the doctor prescribed for him.  As it happened, we'd recently gone to the same doctor and gotten the same prescription for one of us.  The medicine cost $100 a day.  Seriously!  $100 a day.  I had refused the scrip, called the doctor's office and got the prescription changed to something reasonable for a total cost of about $30 for 10 days.  So I asked her what she'd thought of the very high price of the meds, and she had no idea.  In fact, she was very insulted that I would think that mattered.  Their insurance covered the whole cost, and of course they were going to use the medication prescribed, who cares how much it cost??  Never mind that a 10 day dose of amoxicillin would do the SAME THING.  This entitlement attitude is one that I see in many union employees and dependents, unfortunately.

These are pretty much just like all the other stories I've heard about union workers throughout my life. Leaning on shovels, sitting around, one guy working and a whole bunch of others watching him.

What's worse is that many people just chuckle and accept this. Oh, union workers are lazy and spoiled, but there's nothing you can do, or so goes the thinking. It's just the way things are, just like with government corruption; there's nothing you can do and it's just a normal thing.

Bullshit. Things can be changed - someone just has to have the balls to pull the band-aid off, to make the first move and break the inertia. Democrats both within the government and without are afraid of change; Governor Walker wants to change the same old tired way things have been working in respect to the public employees and their unions in WI and the Leftists are apoplectic about it. So much for being the party of change and progress.

The mentality that a person is owed something above and beyond his or her basic constitutional rights under the law is one of those things that the Left is deathly afraid of changing. After all, if the government Democrats don't see to it that their constituents' votes are not bought and paid for with all the taxpayer-funded freebies and discounts they can possibly manage, they'll lose the votes they need to stay in power and keep their cushy government jobs.

Yet, they wonder why America is broke, why WI can't afford to lavish their government employees like this anymore, and why the so-called communists in China are taking on our debt and basically purchasing our country from underneath us. 


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Re: What has organized labor done for you?
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2011, 02:55:52 PM »
+1

The laziness of union labor has always been legendary. It's been accepted and it needs to stop.
The time is here to overhaul the lazy, eliminate the corruption and the corrupted.

It's not a matter of it needing to change, it HAS to change or we're all going down.