Jezebel primitive pleads ignorance

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x449606

Oh my.

jezebel (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-18-11 03:57 PM
Original message

Forgive my ignorance here, but how can this end well for the Democrats in Wisc.?

I don't know why the people of Wisconsin voted this idiot Republican Governor in, or the Republican congress, but they did.

Walker has said he will not bend, and eventually the Democrats will have to return for other issues right?

Won't that be all the Republicans need to pass his crappy deal?

At best it will wake the people who didn't vote in 2010, and they can change the legislature in 2012, but isn't the Republican Governor and legislature going to get their way? At least for now, in the short term?

Probably the long term, too.

DainBramaged  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:04 PM
TUCKER'S ALTER EGO
Response to Original message

8. Should we not demonstrate? Stay home, be silent? 

UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION

Jackpine Radical  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:20 PM
THE RABID JACKRABBIT PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #9

21. It may take us more than 15 minutes. 

Whatever action a legislature takes can be repealed by a later legislature.

What Walker has done is, likely, to ensure that for the next 20 years there will be more labor-friendly government in WI.

Only an instant-grat American would think of 2 years (or 4) as "the long run."

We'll survive, and then we'll thrive.

Oh, I dunno.

We'll see.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:09 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Original message
 
12. Think revolution... we are in that dynamic now and it will not end well for Walker. He will have to bend. If he does not, this is coming to a state near you. This is about you. Support them.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:18 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #13

18. So this is not the largest labor action in the last generation? 

Okie dokie.

Why is it that this is scaring conservadems?

Let me explain this to you, the PRIVATE SECTOR wants those PUBLIC WORKER UNIONS destroyed... got it?

They want to go back to dawn to dusk seven day a week workdays, indentured servitude, no regulation, child labor and yes, slavery... they want CHEAP LABOR. ****ING UNIONS are in the way. You get it now?

Keep thinking this is nothing if you want... Jeaysus history learnin' is not something some folks do.

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
 
20. No. The 2006 Workers' Rights marches were

Largest in US history actually

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:23 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #20

25. So this is nothing, okie dokie 

Just the sniffles...

Okie dokie

Is this scaring you too?

By the way, you ONLY know of the 30K in Madison. This is STATE WIDE. Oh and dear it is spreading.

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
 
26. Didn't say it was 'nothing'

You said it was the largest in recent history. Not true

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:26 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #26

27. IT is... 

but we might disagree...

Whatever... I know this is scaring the conservadems. This the peasants rising is quite revolting.

Oh forgot

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
 
29. There are currently millions of workers in the streets of every major US city??

I didn't realize that

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:28 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #29

31. We are on day five and yes people are slowly taking to the streets 

use the google.

By the way, this is NOT a one day thing... in case you missed it.

This is the real thing. This is what many of us have been waiting for, It is HERE.

Wake up and smell the ****ing coffee, tea or whatever you drink.

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #31
 
33. So you admit this is not, yet, the largest labor action in a generation

Thank you. I don't like seeing blatant misinformation on DU

Uh, not seeing blatant misinformation on Skins's island is like seeing a bison in Norway.

It doesn't happen.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:37 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #33

36. IT IS... have a good ****ing day 

for NOT UNDERSTANDING just how ****ing historic this is.

You DO NOT ****ING GET IT. I cannot help you. And you sound like a conservadem to me. I guess we are really done...good ****ing good bye and good ****ing good life, LEFSTREET my ****ing ass!

leftstreet  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
 
38. Good grief

How did you get so many hearts being so cranky?

Sorry to have upset you so

After which Nadinstrodamus puts some more primitives on her "iggy" list.

ParkieDem (309 posts)      Fri Feb-18-11 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #13
 
48. You're absolutely right.

We are not in "revolution mode" or anything close to it. People are hurting today, but they are not really sympathizing with the protesters in Wisconsin. Comparing him to Hitler or Mubarak doesn't help - hyperbole is becoming the real enemy, not Walker.

The Republicans will have their way - they voted Walker and the GOP in, very recently, and they won't change their mind all that quickly.

Bottom line is that yes, we are in very dire straits in this country. But we are not close to experiencing the level of privation that people in Egypt, Yemen, or in 1930s America experienced. It will take something along those lines in order for us to have real revolution.

[JohnnyReb]

They want to go back to dawn to dusk seven day a week workdays,...I did it for almost 40 years...I guess I should have joined the union.

[jukin]

Can't wait for when Breitbart and the Tea Partyers show up tomorrow. Then we see the communist democrats head splodin.

On another note.  It looks like the Governor can have the donk senators up on felony charges, same for the teachers.

From a Hot Air thread:

Wisconsin’s Public Integrity Statute makes these State Senators actions a felony. Indite and Extradite Should be the new State motto.

    946.12
    946.12 Misconduct in public office. Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:

    946.12(1)
    (1) Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer’s or employee’s office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law; or

    946.12(2)
    (2) In the officer’s or employee’s capacity as such officer or employee, does an act which the officer or employee knows is in excess of the officer’s or employee’s lawful authority or which the officer or employee knows the officer or employee is forbidden by law to do in the officer’s or employee’s official capacity; or

    946.12(3)
    (3) Whether by act of commission or omission, in the officer’s or employee’s capacity as such officer or employee exercises a discretionary power in a manner inconsistent with the duties of the officer’s or employee’s office or employment or the rights of others and with intent to obtain a dishonest advantage for the officer or employee or another; or

    946.12(4)
    (4) In the officer’s or employee’s capacity as such officer or employee, makes an entry in an account or record book or return, certificate, report or statement which in a material respect the officer or employee intentionally falsifies; or

    946.12(5)
    (5) Under color of the officer’s or employee’s office or employment, intentionally solicits or accepts for the performance of any service or duty anything of value which the officer or employee knows is greater or less than is fixed by law.

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    History: 1977 c. 173; 1993 a. 486; 2001 a. 109.

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    Sub. (5) prohibits misconduct in public office with constitutional specificity. Ryan v. State, 79 Wis. 2d 83, 255 N.W.2d 910 (1977).

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    Sub. (3) applies to a corrupt act under color of office and under de facto powers conferred by practice and usage. A person who is not a public officer may be charged as a party to the crime of official misconduct. State v. Tronca, 84 Wis. 2d 68, 267 N.W.2d 216 (1978).

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    An on-duty prison guard did not violate sub. (2) by fornicating with a prisoner in a cell. State v. Schmit, 115 Wis. 2d 657, 340 N.W.2d 752 (Ct. App. 1983).

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    Sub. (3) is not unconstitutionally vague. It does not fail to give notice that hiring and directing staff to work on political campaigns on state time with state resources is a violation. A legislator’s duty under this section may be determined by reference to a variety of sources including the Senate Policy Manual, applicable statutes, and legislative rules and guidelines. The Senate Policy Manual and senate guidelines restricted political campaigning with public resources. State v. Chvala, 2004 WI App 53, 271 Wis. 2d 115, 678 N.W.2d 880, 03-0442. Affirmed. 2005 WI 30, 279 Wis. 2d 216, 693 N.W.2d 747, 03-0442. See also State v. Jensen, 2004 WI App 89, 272 Wis. 2d 707, 684 N.W.2d 136, 03-0106. Affirmed. 2005 WI 31, 279 Wis. 2d 220, 694 N.W.2d 56, 03-0106.

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    Sub. (3) regulates conduct and not speech and is not subject to an overbreadth challenge under the 1st amendment. Legislators or their employees are not prohibited from doing or saying anything related to participation in political campaigns so long as they do not use state resources for that purpose. Legitimate legislative activity is not constrained by this statute. The line between “legislative activity” and “political activity” is sufficiently clear to prevent any confusion as to what conduct is prohibited under this statute. State v. Chvala, 2004 WI App 53, 271 Wis. 2d 115, 678 N.W.2d 880, 03-0442. Affirmed. 2005 WI 30, 279 Wis. 2d 216, 693 N.W.2d 747, 03-0442. See also State v. Jensen, 2004 WI App 89, 272 Wis. 2d 707, 684 N.W.2d 136, 03-0106. Affirmed. 2005 WI 31, 279 Wis. 2d 220, 694 N.W.2d 56, 03-0106.

    946.12 – ANNOT.
    Enforcement of sub. (3) against a legislator does not violate the separation of powers doctrine. Enforcement does not require the courts to enforce legislative rules governing the enactment of legislation. Rather, the courts are asked to enforce a penal statute that relates to the duties of a legislator. A court may interpret an internal legislative rule to determine criminal liability if, when applied to the facts of the specific case, the rule is not ambiguous. State v. Chvala, 2004 WI App 53, 271 Wis. 2d 115, 678 N.W.2d 880, 03-0442. Affirmed. 2005 WI 30, 279 Wis. 2d 216, 693 N.W.2d 747, 03-0442. See also State v. Jensen, 2004 WI App 89, 272 Wis. 2d 707, 684 N.W.2d 136, 03-0106. Affirmed. 2005 WI 31, 279 Wis. 2d 220, 694 N.W.2d 56, 03-0106.

I hope the Governor decides to play hardball with all of the donk thugs.

[thundley4]

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:26 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #26

27. IT is...  

but we might disagree...

Whatever... I know this is scaring the conservadems. This the peasants rising is quite revolting.

Oh forgot

These aren't peasants that are rising up, but they are pretty revolting. If these weren't union members, the DUmmies would be attacking them for being the greedy rich that are sucking the life out of the lower income tax payers.   Teachers and others that are making 60K plus on average do not fall into the peasant category.

[Alpha Mare]

They want to go back to dawn to dusk seven day a week workdays,...I did it for almost 40 years...I guess I should have joined the union.

 I'll gladly take those hours.  Dummies wouldn't last one day around here.

[JohnnyReb]

I'll gladly take those hours.  Dummies wouldn't last one day around here.

My mother would have loved those hours too....she was the first one up in the mornings, well before daylight, and the last one down at night, well after dark. Never stopped in between.

[AllosaursRus]

DainBramaged  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-18-11 04:04 PM
TUCKER'S ALTER EGO
Response to Original message

8. Should we not demonstrate? Stay home, be silent?

UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION

You Dumb SOB! You and your ilk don't have a clue, do ya? We're ****in' broke, asshole! Where are ya gonna get the money to pay for pensions ya don't have the funds for? Are all you DUmb mutha****as this ****in' stooooopid? No wonder we refer to y'all as DUmbass!

States can't print money like the Fed and your messiah does on a daily basis! WI has a state constitution that mandates they balance the budget! What a novel idea! If the fed had done that very same thing 20 years ago, maybe we wouldn't owe the American Soul to the Chinese!

Just when are you asshats goin' to let the truth filter thru to yer little pointy heads? We are outa money for your feel good freebies! It's time for your constituents to get outa bed and take care of themselves! No more of this, "I'm depressed, so I can't work", shit! Grow some nads and get out there like the rest of us!

How is it you don't understand the Governor of WI is merely askin' the public union employees to sacrifice half what us in the private sector already have been subjected to for years? When was the last time any of us in the private sector relied on the collective to negotiate for us? He wants to take collective bargaining away for the benefits and healthcare, for cripes sake! Why, I ask you, should that be tied to a wage contract in the first ****in' place? No private sector job is remotely similar! Your benefits increase as your experience and value increases to your employer!

Call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, ya worthless piece of moonbat guano!

[Ballygrl]

Like we couldn't have told you guys that this wouldn't be favorable to the Democrats and Unions? you think people are going to be happy about this when they find out the average salaries for Teachers with benefits is over $100,000 a year?

[formerlurker]

What Walker has done is, likely, to ensure that for the next 20 years there will be more labor-friendly government in WI.

Only an instant-grat American would think of 2 years (or 4) as "the long run."

When it balances the budget with no layoffs?  I don't think so.

[AllosaursRus]

Like we couldn't have told you guys that this wouldn't be favorable to the Democrats and Unions? you think people are going to be happy about this when they find out the average salaries for Teachers with benefits is over $100,000 a year?

Actually, the last stats I saw was $89,000/yr. But those payin' their wages were makin' $61,000. Wonder if they are gonna get parent support?

[Ballygrl]

Actually, the last stats I saw was $89,000/yr. But those payin' their wages were makin' $61,000. Wonder if they are gonna get parent support?

That figure was revised:

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

[AllosaursRus]

That figure was revised:

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

Isn't that only one school district, though? I thought the state average was 89,000.

Doesn't matter, they're still makin' close to double what the people who pay their salaries are!

[DumbAss Tanker]

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Fri Feb-18-11 04:28 PM
NADINSTRODAMUS
Response to Reply #29

31. We are on day five and yes people are slowly taking to the streets 

use the google.

By the way, this is NOT a one day thing... in case you missed it

.

Wanna bet?  My guess is it's already peaked, or will Tuesday, numbers falling off rapidly after that.