Why no nukes?

[Rebel]

Well, there's one nuke 25 miles east of me, one 30 miles west of me, one 40 miles north of me and then there's the Savannah River Project with all that weapons grade stuff 90 miles south of me. The one the gummint runs has all the weird animals, frogs, lizards and the ground water polluted with pluto-nee-yum.

That's right near me and we have Plant Vogtle right across the river in GA. They're building two more reactors at Vogtle. We're all for it.

[NHSparky]

I work at one.

I've run them, maintained them, and dare say I know as much as most, not only from a technology standpoint, but from an economic one as well.

No, DUmmies, the "safety" aspect (or lack thereof as you claim) is all in your ****ing head.  So is the waste issue.  Seabrook has been up and running for 20 years, and all the used fuel would fit into an Olympic-sized swimming pool.  DAT is correct that if we reprocessed it (CPP up in Idaho, anyone?) it we'd end up with far less, but guess which president shut that little idea down (hint: Carter.)

And memo to DUmmies--you might want to look into it and find out what sources of energy have the highest subsidies from the government.  IOW, my company loves to brag that they've got so much wind power, solar, etc.  But guess what?  The CNO (Chief Nuclear Officer) spoke with us a few weeks ago and stated that the new Congress would have a HUGE impact on how much expansion in those areas they did, solely because of the tax breaks they get from putting up new wind farms, etc.  Bottom line, it's not a viable technology and it's certainly not cheaper.  But hey, what do you care if you don't see it on your electric bill, right?  Problem is, you ARE paying for it, whether you realize it or not.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

education = palliation

BEIJING (AP) — Chinese scientists have mastered the technology for reprocessing fuel from nuclear power plants, potentially increasing the supply of carbon-free electricity to keep the country’s economy booming, state television reported Monday.

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Russia, India, Japan and several European countries already reprocess nuclear fuel — the material used to produce energy from nuclear reactors — to separate and recover the unused uranium and plutonium, as well as to reduce waste and safely close the nuclear cycle.

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Reprocessing nuclear fuel costs significantly more than using the fuel once and storing it as waste. It also raises potential questions, because extracted plutonium can be used to make nuclear weapons, although China has long had a nuclear arsenal.

The commercial reprocessing of plutonium was halted in the United States decades ago by President Jimmy Carter because of concerns about nuclear proliferation. President George W. Bush proposed a resumption, but the National Research Council found it to be not economically justifiable. President Obama scrapped the Bush proposal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/world/asia/04china.html

[thundley4]

President Obama scrapped the Bush proposal.

Why does Obama hate the US and anything that might lead to energy independence ?

[AllosaursRus]

BTW - Do some research on breeder reactors - you may be surprised. Breeder reactors can make MORE fuel than they consume.  I worked at FFTF (Fast Flux Text Facility) on the Hanford reservation for a little over a year. A liquid sodium cooled breeder - liquid sodium checks in at around 800 degrees F. That is the coolant. Research it - become enlightened.

Only problem with Hanford is they stored the waste in containers that went to shit. It's now a superfund site!

Then there's that little problem of leaking some of it into the atmosphere over a period of years. Was a big stink about it a few years back and the gubmint ended up payin' thousands of people oodles of our money for the mistakes!

[GOBUCKS]

Why does Obama hate the US and anything that might lead to energy independence ?

Well, the Kenyan was educated in an Indonesian madrassa. Might it have anything to do with the global caliphate?

[PatriotGame]

Only problem with Hanford is they stored the waste in containers that went to shit. It's now a superfund site!

Then there's that little problem of leaking some of it into the atmosphere over a period of years. Was a big stink about it a few years back and the gubmint ended up payin' thousands of people oodles of our money for the mistakes!

My older brother worked in Idaho, (we were raised in Idaho Falls) at the INEL (now the INL) at CPP reprocessing the Navy nuke spent fuel for about 30 years. Got tired of the crap plus the hippie pukes from Sun Valley, Twin Falls, and Jackson Hole formed the Snake River Alliance are a real REGRESSIVE pain in the ass for the INL. They lobbied Bill Clinton and Sec. of Energy Hazel O'Leary (remember that piece of work?) and they pretty much shut down CPP. Brother got tired of the B.S. after being transferred to supervisor over cleaning up a burial pit that contained transuranic wastes - real nasty shit. My brother quit and moved to Richland, WA to work for Washington River Protection Solutions (WRPS). Initially they are transferring waste from the single wall underground tanks, some of which have been leaking for 30 years or more, to double walled tanks. All of this is in preparation for the vitrification plant being built by Bechtel. The vit plant is scheduled to begin processing low-level waste in its front end in 2015 with full operation and processing of the tank wastes around 2020 - 2025. The crap in those tanks, all 53 MILLION gallons of it, and not just the radiological elements but the acids and other chemicals used to separate and process the plutonium from the irradiated fuel from the Hanford reactors is some of the most poisonous crap in the world. Yes, Hanford is considered THE most toxic place on the planet. The entire operation has been one giant cleanup cluster f*ck after another since the early 80's.

As far as the releases, the worst releases were in the 1940's and 1950's when Air Force and government officials approved the release of Iodine-131. The most notorious being the 1949 "Green Run":

"Green Run" refers to a secret U.S. Air Force experiment at Washington State's Hanford Nuclear Reservation that released somewhere between 7,000 and 12,000 curies of iodine-131 into the air on December 2-3, 1949. The experiment was called the Green Run because it involved a processing "run" of uranium fuel that had been cooled for only a short time (16 days), and was, therefore, "green." The normal practice in 1949 was to cool the fuel 90 to 100 days before processing. The longer cooling time allows for radiation, especially iodine-131, to decay to lower levels.

The reported purpose of the Green Run was to test monitoring equipment the Air Force was developing for its intelligence activities concerning the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons program. The Green Run remained a top government secret until the 1980s when reports were made public in response to Freedom of Information Act requests. The requests were filed by the Hanford Education Action League and the newspaper The Spokesman-Review, both based in Spokane. The U.S. Air Force continues to withhold significant information about the Green Run including the names of the official(s) who ordered the experiment and the intelligence unit that participated in the monitoring.

http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Green+Run+-+Hanford

After the releases, that crap was detected through Washington, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, down into Nevada and as far north as parts of Canada even though wind patterns were in a south-easterly direction. The Iodine would settle in among other places, wheat and hay fields and grasslands. The cows ate the hay and grass, people drank the crapped-up milk from the cows, the Iodine would concentrate in the thyroid, then the thyroid would go cancerous and grow to the size of a baseball. Killed several people and ruined the lives of thousands. Do a search on the "Hanford Down-Winders."  Quite a nasty thing to do HOWEVER, scientists knew far, far less about the effects of Iodine-131 and how far it can spread when airborne than they do now.

[thundley4]

Well, the Kenyan was educated in an Indonesian madrassa. Might it have anything to do with the global caliphate?

I dunno, what do you think?

Muslim Brotherhood Cleric Calls for a “United Muslim Nations”…

He is a driven man. There are so many decisions to be made in this godforsaken modern age, and yet there is only one mufti, only one Islamic scholar like Qaradawi, who knew the Koran by heart by the time he was 10, only one man who can help the faithful understand the world.

Qaradawi is the father figure of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, the country’s best-organized opposition group. The Brotherhood is sure to play a part in deciding what path Egypt will now take.

The Islamist group asked Qaradawi to be their leader in 2002, but he turned them down. Such a position would have been too limiting. He has a different mission. He feels compelled to talk.

Qaradawi advocates establishing a “United Muslim Nations” as a contemporary form of the caliphate and the only alternative to the hegemony of the West. He hates Israel and would love to take up arms himself. In one of his sermons, he asked God “to kill the Jewish Zionists, every last one of them.”

In January 2009, he said: “Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by [Adolf] Hitler.”  >>>> Link

weazelzippers

As if the UN isn't already anti-American enough for them.

[DefiantSix]

As if the UN isn't already anti-American enough for them.

It isn't.  Anti-American ENOUGH, for them that is.  After all, the UN still allows the Great Satan a permanent seat on the Security Counsel.

[ironhorsedriver]

I still like the Sun idea. We could let out of work democrats pilot.

[DefiantSix]

I still like the Sun idea. We could let out of work democrats pilot.

Just tell 'em that so long as they land to unload their cargos at night, they should be fine. 

[Doc]

This report is from 2006, but there has been almost no study of the faults in that area, and little is known about them. It's only 500 miles from Yellowstone, which is sitting on the caldera that will blow today or next year of whenever. Then what happens to groundwater supplies and other things we need? Las Vegas may become a ghost town.

The 1000 year figure you stated is not correct. Yucca Mountain will be at its storage capacity long before it officially opens.

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Links only please

http://www.arizonaenergy.org/News04/News%20Oct04/yucca_mountain_to_be_at_capacity.htm

[VivisMom]

My university had nuclear waste on campus...and aside from my kid having that extra limb, she's fine. Of course, I attribute that to the DC water and not the nuclear waste at the VSL.  

Seriously, I never understood what the big deal was with these damn hippies hating nuclear power. It's relatively clean, it's abundant, and would relieve some of our dependence on foreign oil. I would rather live near a nuclear power plant than an oil refinery.

[thundley4]

This report is from 2006, but there has been almost no study of the faults in that area, and little is known about them. It's only 500 miles from Yellowstone, which is sitting on the caldera that will blow today or next year of whenever.[/b\ Then what happens to groundwater supplies and other things we need? Las Vegas may become a ghost town.

If Yellowstone goes, I'm not worrying too much about the nuclear waste on Yucca mountain.

[DumbAss Tanker]

If Yellowstone goes, I'm not worrying too much about the nuclear waste on Yucca mountain.

No kidding.  Since every entrance would probably be under many feet of cooling volcanic ash and most of the humans likely to be affected would be dead, it doesn't seem like much of a problem.   

[AllosaursRus]

No kidding.  Since every entrance would probably be under many feet of cooling volcanic ash and most of the humans likely to be affected would be dead, it doesn't seem like much of a problem.   

I'm just praying there is a prevailing north westerly wind when it happens! We're borderline on the edge of the destruction as it is!

[DefiantSix]

I'm just praying there is a prevailing north westerly wind when it happens! We're borderline on the edge of the destruction as it is!

Gee, thanks dude.  Push it in my direction, why doncha?!?! 

[DumbAss Tanker]

BTW, great posts, PatriotGame, you do know your shit on the nuke stuff!

 

ETA - Oh, and H5!

[AllosaursRus]

Gee, thanks dude.  Push it in my direction, why doncha?!?! 

Sorry Bubba, but if that thing pukes, it's every man and his family for himself!!!

[BlueStateSaint]

No kidding.  Since every entrance would probably be under many feet of cooling volcanic ash and most of the humans likely to be affected would be dead, it doesn't seem like much of a problem.   

That would be the case all over the North American continent.

[NHSparky]

PG--yup--problem is, back in the 40's, 50's, and 60's, people had no clue about "mixed material" wastes, MSDS, or any of the other environmental rules we have now.  People would just dump shit out with no interest or knowledge that separating the wastes might be a good idea (gee, ya think?)

So now we've got tanks in there that you open up and NOBODY knows what the hell is in any of them, which is why Hanford is such a goat-rope right now.

Oh, and a little trivia for ya, kiddies--take the high-level spent fuel wastes, stick them in the ground in a place like Yucca, and in 500 years they'll have decayed to the point they're LESS radioactive than the ore that was taken from the ground originally.

[JohnnyReb]

Oh, and a little trivia for ya, kiddies--take the high-level spent fuel wastes, stick them in the ground in a place like Yucca, and in 500 years they'll have decayed to the point they're LESS radioactive than the ore that was taken from the ground originally.

Well insulated house built on concrete slab, a basement, granite counter tops, etc.....= radon gas....live in the Mile High City of Denver = even more radiation.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Oh, and a little trivia for ya, kiddies--take the high-level spent fuel wastes, stick them in the ground in a place like Yucca, and in 500 years they'll have decayed to the point they're LESS radioactive than the ore that was taken from the ground originally.

Great point Sparky, the fact that the shit was radioactive when it was IN the ground before mining is totally lost on the Luddites.

[NHSparky]

Well insulated house built on concrete slab, a basement, granite counter tops, etc.....= radon gas....live in the Mile High City of Denver = even more radiation.

It amazes me how much these idiots will spend out here on "radon mitigation systems".  If they only knew how much exposure they were getting from that, even if they did live in their basements.

[franksolich]

It amazes me how much these idiots will spend out here on "radon mitigation systems".  If they only knew how much exposure they were getting from that, even if they did live in their basements.

Hollywood NeoCon thread in general discussion; wish him well.