The reality based community speaks: it's a conspiracy by the Knights of Malta

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

SpiralHawk (1000+ posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 10:24 AM
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Seymour Hersh: NeoCon Crusaders, Opus Dei, Iraq, Mosques to Cathedrals
 Edited on Wed Jan-19-11 10:35 AM by SpiralHawk
The existing GD thread on the article in Foreign Policy about Seymour Hersh gets all caught up in some of the rhetoric Hersh used in speaking about Obama. Interesting. But not nearly as interesting, or important, as this ugly reality...

"..He (Hersh) also charged that U.S. foreign policy had been hijacked by a cabal of neoconservative "crusaders" in the former vice president's (Cheney's) office and now (NOW NOW NOW NOW) in the special operations community...

"...Hersh then brought up the widespread looting that took place in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. "In the Cheney shop, the attitude was, ‘What's this? What are they all worried about, the politicians and the press, they're all worried about some looting? ... Don't they get it? We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody's gonna give a damn.'"

"That's the attitude," he continued. "We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command."

He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta...

"...Many of them are members of Opus Dei," Hersh continued. "They do see what they're doing -- and this is not an atypical attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally..."

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/18/seymour_...

iamtechus (647 posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 11:12 AM
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1. "...Many of them are members of Opus Dei,"
 And from the article, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.", would explain much. I hope Seymour has not just gone off the deep end.

In the past, Hersh has written and said a lot of things that seemed pretty wild at the time but turned out to be true.

Ichingcarpenter  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 01:47 PM
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10. One current Opus Dei member worth noting is Joseph E Schmitz.
 One current Opus Dei member worth noting is Joseph E Schmitz. A former Pentagon inspector general, he became chief of operations for Blackwater Worldwide, the private security firm, back in 2005. While at the Pentagon, he'd been tasked with the job of overseeing all war contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan. His connection to war profiteers became well known. At least $2 trillion went "missing" from the Pentagon during his watch. Shortly after Schmitz exonerated his friends in the war industry, he announced that he was going to work for Blackwater, where he is today.

In a 2004 speech Schmitz said, "No American today should ever doubt that we hold ourselves accountable to the rule of law under God. Here lies the fundamental difference between us and the terrorists." Aside from his membership in Opus Dei, Schmitz is also a member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, a Christian militia formed in the 11th century, before the first Crusades, with the mission of defending territories that the Crusaders had conquered from the Muslims. The Blackwater leadership apparently think they are following in that tradition.


http://www.ww4report.com/node/6601

social_critic (815 posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 07:33 PM
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29. I believe Opus Dei is against the Iraq War
 As far as I know, the catholic leadership is opposed to the Iraq war. Pope John Paul II stated he was opposed to the war, and this aligned the leadership. Therefore Catholics who support the war can consider themselves to be good candidates to go to hell, because they are not following the Pope's leadership. This would include Opus Dei, of course, because they are a catholic organization.

Ichingcarpenter  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jan-20-11 12:33 AM
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34. Did you just make things up? Did you read my thread above you?
 Good Grief, the truth and news is there if you search a bit.

The troof is out there!

On the innerwebz!

deutsey  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 11:43 AM
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2. 8 or 9 neocons overthrew the American government
 "What I'm really talking about is how eight or nine neoconservative, radicals if you will, overthrew the American government. Took it over," he said of his forthcoming book. "It's not only that the neocons took it over but how easily they did it -- how Congress disappeared, how the press became part of it, how the public acquiesced."

formercia (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-19-11 11:53 AM
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3. Told you so.
 KOM was in the thick of it. Lots of them are Banksters too.

Nihil  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 01:48 PM
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11. Thanks for the re-post ...
 ... after the train-wreck of the other thread thanks to the disruptors.

(And yes, focussing on a single word - to the exclusion of everything else
that was said - is indeed disruptive.)

formercia (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-19-11 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. The boys don't like being exposed
 when they do, the minions are sent to bury it.

They threatened me personally when I tried to expose them.

Which reminds me: if anyone among our paid mole staff has not recieved their monthly stipend in small brown children please see Betty in accounting.

Odin2005  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 02:35 PM
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21. This is what Fascism looks like.

formercia (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-19-11 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Von Papen, Knight of Malta and chancellor of Germany
 was the one who put Hitler in power.

We know how that worked out.

Now track this next exchange:

robcon (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-19-11 04:42 PM
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24. Hersh's conspiracy theories show me that he's lost it.
 A fine investigative reporter has gone over the edge.

SpiralHawk (1000+ posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. If you are going to 'claim' one of our top investigative reports has 'lost it'
 you better toss at least a scintilla of evidence into the pot.

Otherwise, it just sounds like Standard SockPuppet DysInforNothingNess.

Octafish  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-19-11 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. All one has to do to destroy someone's reputation is to apply the label: 'conspiracy theorist.' 

For too many, it serves to close the mind. Case closed. Final judgment. End of discussion.

The Central Intelligence Agency, the group responsible for applying that appellation for that purpose, wanted to deflate speculation about a conspiracy in regards to the assassination of President Kennedy. That organization especially wanted to deflect any attention from investigators who found connections between people apparently associated in some capacity with the agency, including Lee Harvey Oswald, and the assassination. Despite the law to open the JFK assassination records, these efforts by CIA continue to this very day.

For the benefit of those interested in the subject of truth: Countering Criticism of the Warren Report. To them, I say, "Thank you. The truth will set us free."

SpiralHawk (1000+ posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 07:07 PM
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28. Thank you for your careful view on this Octafish
 I do have the feeling that lots of INTERESTS would like to pretend that Hersh is off the reservation -- but the vast preponderance of evidence supports the perception that he is -- one again -- absolutely accurate.

Something very occult and very ugly is going on with this darkside Crusade that American and Americans were LIED into, and which has cost untold lives, maimed thousands, and cost US taxpayers billions upon billions while War Profiteers have been VASTLY ENRICHED.

This is not a Right or Left or even Libertarian issue. It goes WAY beyond any of that...

LanternWaste (1000+ posts)        Thu Jan-20-11 06:31 PM
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36. Which appears precisely the MO of the story in the OP.
 Which appears precisely the MO of the link stories in the OP.

 

formercia (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-19-11 10:03 PM
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31. Not by a long shot
 I used to work with those assholes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x227305

Mind you, it wasn't Loughner's fixation with shadowy government cabals mind-controlling the population that lead to the tragedy of 2 weeks ago, it was a poster by a politician Loughner never paid attention to that provoked him.

[franksolich]

Oh my.

It's good to see the formica primitive, the former CIA primitive, is still around.

He's the one who was tossed out of that agency for being mentally unstable.

[ScubaGuy]

Oh my.

It's good to see the formica primitive, the former CIA primitive, is still around.

He's the one who was tossed out of that agency for being mentally unstable.

He's the one who was never in that agency but claims that he was and they they want to kill him.  Since he's far better than they are they just torment his child in school.

[AllosaursRus]

Uh, I don't think "formica" has anything to do with the CIA, there asswipe! Cause I'll lay odds that is as close as you ever got! The coverin' on your kitchen counter top!

Is this guy for real? Wholy shit, what a conspiracy nut! No wonder Skins tries to keep these loons locked up!

I have to agree with the looting! Who gives a rusty, it's their country! If they want to **** it all up like our minority brethren here in the states, then let 'em! It only hurts them!

It's just like the Blacks, and Hispanics in this country! When they riot, all they do is destroy where they live, hurt their neighbors, and burn their own shit! Then they bitch they don't get any police protection! Never made any sense to me!

[GOBUCKS]

iamtechus (647 posts)     Wed Jan-19-11 11:12 AM
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1. "...Many of them are members of Opus Dei,"
 And from the article, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.", would explain much. I hope Seymour has not just gone off the deep end.

I think he meant to say Opie Taylor and Knights of Columbus. Someone has apparently had a chip embedded in their brain.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I think he meant to say Opie Taylor and Knights of Columbus. Someone has apparently had a chip embedded in their brain.

Not chips.

Cheetos.

[JohnnyReb]

SpiralHawk and Seymour Hersh should smoke another joint....that work of fiction is getting good.

[dandi]

So, how many mosques have been changed to cathedrals in Iraq? I mean, surely with the combined diabolical forces of Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, the CIA, the Bilderberg group, Manny Moe and Jack, and the voices coming out of the wall socket at least one converted mosque can be coughed up?

Oh wait, they're undercover cathedrals cleverly disguised as the mosques which they supplanted.


Bwahaha, the plot thickens.

[JohnnyReb]

So, how many mosques have been changed to cathedrals in Iraq? I mean, surely with the combined diabolical forces of Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, the CIA, the Bilderberg group, Manny Moe and Jack, and the voices coming out of the wall socket at least one converted mosque can be coughed up?

Oh wait, they're undercover cathedrals cleverly disguised as the mosques which they supplanted.


Bwahaha, the plot thickens.

If you read islamic history, a lot of famous mosques were once great cathedrals.

[Duke Nukum]

Oh my!  I thought Robert Anton Wilson was dead.

[VivisMom]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo [/youtube]

[AllosaursRus]

So, how many mosques have been changed to cathedrals in Iraq? I mean, surely with the combined diabolical forces of Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, the CIA, the Bilderberg group, Manny Moe and Jack, and the voices coming out of the wall socket at least one converted mosque can be coughed up?

Oh wait, they're undercover cathedrals cleverly disguised as the mosques which they supplanted.


Bwahaha, the plot thickens.

Now, now, Dandi, you do know facts are like leeches to the primitives! Their slimy, ugly, and suck the life out of them!

[DumbAss Tanker]

That is so incredibly ate up with stupid it defies description, but just for starters, unless the Catholic Opus Dei has started taking in Mormons and Baptists I don't think they have a Hell of a lot of leverage in JSOC, which does have perhaps an extra large share of fruitcakes, but not Knights of Malta.