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Offline Tess Anderson

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"Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« on: December 20, 2010, 01:34:59 PM »
Does he really want *his* thoughts?

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Twit, the email he's babbling about is long, partial post:

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MedicalAdmin (852 posts)      Mon Dec-20-10 02:15 PM
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Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ....
 I am already formulating a response to the many unbelievable factual errors but I thought some feedback and input from DU would be invaluable. I did a quick search and the guy who wrote this is was convicted for securities fraud - no surprise there.

Tell me what you think and please give me some ammo. My brother in law is not stupid (exactly) but he is unemployed and watches too much fox. I think there is hope but I need to send back a few salient refutations along with my holiday salutations.

Cheers everyone and thanks in advance for any input or comments I get. Here's the "thing" he sent me via email.





"The root of the problem the world is facing right now isn't really governments… or banks. The real problem is simply a very bad idea – the idea that the State ought to sit in the center of society. Let me explain…


The last 100 years (since 1914) saw not only the end of the classic gold standard, but also the fantastic ascendancy of the nation-state.

These two trends are inherently and dangerously related.

Until World War I, the central government of the United States, for example, played a small role in the lives of its citizens. Its powers were strictly limited, as were its revenues. It was specifically barred from taxing citizens directly. It was a humble government that interacted with the individual states in the union, but didn't interact much with individual citizens.

The first signs of change came after the Civil War. "Progressive" ideas began to emerge. Most of these ideas came from Germany, from philosophers like Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The core of these ideas was that the State itself was superior to its citizens. Therefore, the argument went, society ought to be organized to better accomplish the goals of the State.
 
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 01:42:09 PM »
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Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ....

He wants your thoughts and you automatically run to DU for Hivemind thoughts.

This stuff just writes itself.

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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 01:55:25 PM »
RW brother to wife, "Quick, while my slow witted brother is thinking, lets move to Idaho."
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 02:11:03 PM »
Libertarians and DUmmies. Two sides of the same bogus coin.
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 02:49:41 PM »
The rest of the BIL's email concerned how Communism crept/is creeping stealthily into American lives.  A DUmmy named Izzybeans is OK with that, yearning for the means of production:

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If your b-n-law truly believed in liberty, than he would believe in liberty for all and at all times, even at work. That means self-rule all day everyday, not just at the ballot box.
  He believes control of the company belongs with whoever is working the factory floor.  OK, can you picture that?  Shut the machines down, it's Beer O'Clock! 

Too bad his fellow moonbats would never allow a factory to be greenfielded on these shores, ever again. 
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 02:59:04 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on December 20, 2010, 01:55:25 PM
RW brother to wife, "Quick, while my slow witted brother is thinking, lets move to Idaho."

Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 20, 2010, 02:11:03 PM
Libertarians and DUmmies. Two sides of the same bogus coin.

We've had our share of these so-called libertarians!

Maybe y'all remember Richard Butler and the Aryan Nation, Aryan BrotherHood, Randy Weaver, etc...! We kicked their butts from here 'til Sunday and ran them outa the state!

Funny thing is, it was a Jewish lawyer who lowered the boom on 'em after they took a coupla pot shots with a 12 ga. at a mother and her son that got to close to their compound in Hayden lake!

We don't need anymore of that crap!
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 04:29:57 PM »
Throughout human history, collectivism has brought nothing but misery and mass death.
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 04:41:56 PM »
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 04:46:30 PM »
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I did a quick search and the guy who wrote this is was convicted for securities fraud - no surprise there.

He was fined by SEC, which I can't find much about -- other than someone commenting he maintains he is innocent and has appealed.
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Re: "Libertarian lies. My RW brother in law want's my thoughts ...." (MedicalAdmin )
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 06:59:02 PM »
Quote from: jukin on December 20, 2010, 04:29:57 PM
Throughout human history, collectivism has brought nothing but misery and mass death.
Funny how that works, huh?
The imposter always mentions "collectivism".
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