Israeli security leaves DUmbasses feeling insecure

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:13 PM
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Israel's airport security measures are often pointed to as a better alternative blah-blah-blah

But when it comes to anti-terrorism security what really matters is...

...union jobs:

leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:18 PM
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1. Israeli airport security = private contractors, non union employees
   
This comparison talking point is all over FOX news sites

:eyes:

Israel gave up on centrally-planned security in 1995. Instead, private contractors with money on the line compete for the job. Scanners are not used. The government can fire the worst and pick the best. O’Reilly wants me to give him a solution to airport security.

Read more: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/11/16/let-mar...

Talk of boobeez leads to much excitement:

KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:35 PM
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10. Well, we can stop the sexual assaults...
   
We haven't had a 9/11 since...9/11. We must be doing something right. Why not continue with those practices and look for ways to improve on them, instead of adopting draconian measures to instill fear into Americans for the benefit of a few capitalists heavily invested in questionable x-ray scanners.

And a president who learns of an impending action by the brother of his oil-backer and does something to stop it would be nice.

Also, how about we stop killing Iraqis and Afghans? Think that might be helpful, too?
Welcome to America: Where Dred Scott wasn't a person but Exxon-Mobil is.

pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:37 PM
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12. No one who has been the subject of a real sexual assault
   
would use that term to describe the airport pat-downs.

The comparison is an insult to real victims.

KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:41 PM
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13. Really? Groping a women's breasts or a man's genitals isn't sexual assault?
   
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 08:44 PM by KansDem
What world are you living in?

on edit: so you differentiate between "real sexual assault" and what?..."imagined sexual assault?" "not really a 'real' sexual assault?" "almost-but-not-quite-a-real sexual assault?"

I thought a sexual assault was just that: a sexual assault...

pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 09:02 PM
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20. When a doctor does a breast exam is that a sexual assault?
   
What world are YOU living in?

AlabamaLibrul (543 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 09:05 PM
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23. Breast exams actually have a purpose. n/t

   

pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 09:07 PM
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27. So do these searches. And neither one catches all the bad "cells."

Then there is this strawman:

ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:23 PM
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3. israeli departure point airports DO NOT interview everyone
   
not even close. anyone stating so is promoting a falsehood. i have flown in and out of israel several times and have been interviewed a total of ONCE...

sP

And?

The point is: El Al security is better and less invasive.

AlabamaLibrul (543 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:23 PM
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4. So it's either 1) full body scanning or 2) police interrogation
   
That's not much of a better choice.

"Why are you nervous? I'm doing it for your safety." Because nobody ever gets nervous, say, just flying. We do a lot of shit in the name of safety.

I'll go ahead and hit "Post Message" before I start on only vaguely related issues that will get this thread moved quickly.

My guess is: he WANTS to be touched and certainly doesn't want to talk to no Jews.

CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 08:33 PM
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8. Matthew Yglesias on his experience with them:
   
"but I’d have to say that my experience leaving Tel Aviv was far and away the most unpleasant encounter I’d ever had with airport security officials in the decade"

"things went pretty smoothly as long as you were (a) Israeli, (b) traveling with an Israeli, or (c) traveling with some kind of well-established tour group."

"I was groped a couple of times, yelled at by surly Russian immigrants, accused of “lying” because I’d forgotten I had a second iPod charging cord in my bag, interrogated several times about who I’d talked to, etc. "

"unlike with American security I actually felt somewhat threatened the whole time"

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/israeli-airpo... /

for Pete's sake, the only thing worse than having TSA do it the way they do it now would be to have them adopt the Israeli approach.

Damn Jews get paranoid just because the world wants to kill them off.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9577392

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Damn Jews get paranoid just because the world wants to kill them off.

To be fair, if you'd ever dealt with Israelis, you'd know that's who people in NYC point to as being rude, abrupt, and having shitty manners.  Of course like New Yorkers, they're really a lot nicer than that once you get to know them.

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To be fair, if you'd ever dealt with Israelis, you'd know that's who people in NYC point to as being rude, abrupt, and having shitty manners.  Of course like New Yorkers, they're really a lot nicer than that once you get to know them.

Odd.

Growing up in South Florida we had more than our share of Jews and, by gravity, Israelis.

I actually liked the Israelis better and most of the Jews were NY transplants. They contributed greatly to my intense dislike of A) city dwellers and B) Yankees.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-17-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. When a doctor does a breast exam is that a sexual assault? What world are YOU living in?

A doctor shouldn't touch your breasts to check for cancer?! How would that be considered sexually assualt? One is in a doctor's office being examined for health and the other is being groped and felt up at an airport. BIG DIFFERENCE there DUmmie. I say screw your political correctness bullcrap and get dogs. Don't like the dogs because they are "unclean", well, guess what?! Go through the body scanner.

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A doctor shouldn't touch your breasts to check for cancer?! How would that be considered sexually assualt? One is in a doctor's office being examined for health and the other is being groped and felt up at an airport. BIG DIFFERENCE there DUmmie. I say screw your political correctness bullcrap and get dogs. Don't like the dogs because they are "unclean", well, guess what?! Go through the body scanner.

They could always get some of the pigs used to find truffles and train them to look for explosives.  They could be used to check any Muslims that didn't want to be scanned.

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Odd.

Growing up in South Florida we had more than our share of Jews and, by gravity, Israelis.

I actually liked the Israelis better and most of the Jews were NY transplants. They contributed greatly to my intense dislike of A) city dwellers and B) Yankees.

South FL is not quite like being in Israel. 

The Israelis even have a little joke about the crustiness, something to the effect of 'Sabras are like cactus fruit, prickly on the outside but sweet on the inside.'

[jukin]

Today's unions are just communist fronts. In europe the unions can shut the country down quicker than the government. That is what the communists want here. Top down control and unionizing travel, food, health care, and every other facet of our lives is control.

Here is how it is working out for the USA.

Low-tax states will gain seats, high-tax states will lose them | Washington Examiner

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/low-tax-states-will-gain-seats-high-tax-states-will-lose-them-108681159.html

[true_blood]

Richard Trumpka and an "organizer" for the Communist Party USA have been in talks recently. What a coincidence.