Would You Support Military Action Against Mexican Cartels?

[TheSarge]

OK.

But Thor and I were discussing the TX militia and I mistakenly interpreted his "go down there" as an insinuation that they would be crossing the border.

Oh ok...sorry late last night when I read that millitia equated to national Guard.  Sorry.

Personally, I'd be OK with repelling Mexican army units by force. In the interests of fairness, however, I must wonder aloud/in writing if the Mexican government has sanctioned these incursions and the use of force. I suspect the Mexican government barely contrls the bathrooms in their own government buildings these days an I would not be surprised to hear these are renegade units.

I don't think it's the Mexican Government sanctioning it per se...more like the Cartels buying off whole Infantry companies along the border from the reports I've read.

I would be a great deterrent to illegals and the drug runners to see an M2A2 Bradley patrolling the border or see an M1A2 Abrahams parked at a checkpoint.

[Revolution]

What is the degree of your general support for the idea:

A. No, never. Its a violation of Mexican sovereignty

B. No, we have too many military commitments already

C. Yes, if the kill US citizens in Mexican territory

D. Yes, if they kill US citizens in US territory

E. Yes, to prop-up the failing Mexican state before it actually collapses

F. Yes, but only after an actual collapse forces our hand


If you answered Yes to any of the above: What is the depth of force you are willing to commit assuming the graduation scale includes all preceding levels:

A. Small-units/Special Operations

B. Larger maneuver units

C. Artillery strikes

D. Rotary-wing aircraft (helicopters)

E. Fixed-wing aircraft (jets)


If you answered Yes in the first question: What sort of action would you support?

A. Punitive raids

B. Disruption/interdiction

C. maneuver in force until Mexican forces gain the upper hand

D. regime change

E. Long-term occupation

If it comes to it, I would also be in support of a regime charge, but at least until Mexican forces get the advantage, we need to step in. Hell, the Mexican forces SHOULD be dealing with their corrupt government, but first, they have to deal with their cartels.

We definitely need military action.

[IassaFTots]

The only way you will get dems to turn their backs on 12 to 20 million undocumented voters is if the GOP can exploit the Catholic up-bringing of the illegals to swing issues like abortion and gay marriage.

If we could do that the dems would pillage every Home Depot within 500 miles of the US-Mexican border to put up a fence.

I like the way you think.   

[ironhorsedriver]

Yes, full scale kick ass. Take territory and create a no mans land, until the cartels, gangs and border runners are brought under control. Then return the land, with stipulations. And F**k the UN.

[foghorn]

No.  Let them deal with their own problem like Columbia did.  There when the cartels killed "enough" civilians, the rest of the people turned on them.  As long as we keep putting band-aids on this they will sit back and expect us to take care of them.  Unless and until they clean their own houe the murders will continue.  Besides, thus far it is the druggies killing each other.  good.  thousands less mexican drug smugglers is a good thing.  Let them kill each other.  I do not care. 

[IassaFTots]

No.  Let them deal with their own problem like Columbia did.  There when the cartels killed "enough" civilians, the rest of the people turned on them.  As long as we keep putting band-aids on this they will sit back and expect us to take care of them.  Unless and until they clean their own houe the murders will continue.  Besides, thus far it is the druggies killing each other.  good.  thousands less mexican drug smugglers is a good thing.  Let them kill each other.  I do not care.  

I don't care either,  as long as they keep it on their side of the fence, when they start pissing on my lawn, I start caring.   

[Thor]

No.  Let them deal with their own problem like Columbia did.  There when the cartels killed "enough" civilians, the rest of the people turned on them.  As long as we keep putting band-aids on this they will sit back and expect us to take care of them.  Unless and until they clean their own houe the murders will continue.  Besides, thus far it is the druggies killing each other.  good.  thousands less mexican drug smugglers is a good thing.  Let them kill each other.  I do not care. 

If they kept their shit in Mexico, that shit hole of a country, I wouldn't care. However, they have dragged their murderous and drug crazed battles into OUR country. I say we meet them head on, at the border and kill every single one of them. If they are bringing drugs, violence & murder into this country, it's time to kill them when they enter.

[Eupher]

No.  Let them deal with their own problem like Columbia did.  There when the cartels killed "enough" civilians, the rest of the people turned on them.  As long as we keep putting band-aids on this they will sit back and expect us to take care of them.  Unless and until they clean their own houe the murders will continue.  Besides, thus far it is the druggies killing each other.  good.  thousands less mexican drug smugglers is a good thing.  Let them kill each other.  I do not care. 

Let me echo what Tots and Thor said. As you're a noob, foghorn, I'll refrain from a stinging bitchslap because of your failure to pay attention, but let's take a look at what the issue is:

Undeclared war by Mexico on the U.S by proxy. If you think the Messican government isn't corrupt enough to turn a blind eye to the cartels raising hell along our borders, you might've had some of that Kool-Aid that's routinely passed out. And our president stands around with his dick in his hands. The fact that Mexico can't get a handle on its drug cartels and the fact that the Mexican government (fed and local) keeps losing people to decapitation and other forms of murder is a pretty clear indicator that the government is both incompetent and corrupt to the point that allowing them to handle their own problem doesn't work.

In the absence of control, anarchy rules. That's what's happening down there. When anarchy is the order of the day, all bets are off. You cut the problem off at the head.

And take no prisoners, of course.

It's time for our president to stop stroking his crank and grow a pair. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

No.  Let them deal with their own problem like Columbia did.  There when the cartels killed "enough" civilians, the rest of the people turned on them.  As long as we keep putting band-aids on this they will sit back and expect us to take care of them.  Unless and until they clean their own houe the murders will continue.  Besides, thus far it is the druggies killing each other.  good.  thousands less mexican drug smugglers is a good thing.  Let them kill each other.  I do not care. 

In addition to the already noted fact that the cartels are reaching into the US I would like to point out that the US played/plays a significant role in Colombia's work against their cartels. US military and intel assets played an integral part in nailing Pablo Escobar, for example.

Just tossin' that out there.

[ToddWB]

Long was the PRI in cahoots with the drug runners, a good book to read on how that worked is "The Drug Lord" by Terrance Papas, when PAN took over, the allliegncy (and the manner of the Govt cut of drug profits) nhad to be reworked, this opened up big gaps in the business that the drugrunners are competing to dominate. Mexico, a socialist state run by an oligarchy, is corrupt thru and thru, when they take out a big mnarco...it is because they have aligned with his replacement already, if htere ever was sucha thing as a non-corrupt Mexican official, they were killed long ago, and any new ones stand little chance of living long, either thewir own people will kill them, or set them up tp be bumped off by the Narcos.

[foghorn]

In addition to the already noted fact that the cartels are reaching into the US I would like to point out that the US played/plays a significant role in Colombia's work against their cartels. US military and intel assets played an integral part in nailing Pablo Escobar, for example.

Just tossin' that out there.

The above is a quote from someone else.

Actually, the locales ratted out Pablo Escobar because he killed too many uninvolved women and children.  As long as he killed other druglords and their minions, no one cared.  Yes, the U.S. chased him, but the local citizenry dealt him the final blow by ratting him out.  "nuff said. 

Let the Beaner druggies kill each other.

[Ptarmigan]

Long was the PRI in cahoots with the drug runners, a good book to read on how that worked is "The Drug Lord" by Terrance Papas, when PAN took over, the allliegncy (and the manner of the Govt cut of drug profits) nhad to be reworked, this opened up big gaps in the business that the drugrunners are competing to dominate. Mexico, a socialist state run by an oligarchy, is corrupt thru and thru, when they take out a big mnarco...it is because they have aligned with his replacement already, if htere ever was sucha thing as a non-corrupt Mexican official, they were killed long ago, and any new ones stand little chance of living long, either thewir own people will kill them, or set them up tp be bumped off by the Narcos.

PRI ruled Mexico for most of the 20th century after the bloody Mexican revolution, the bloodiest period in the Americas. Mexico is one of the largest economies in the world, but the nearly all the wealth is in a few hands. Mexico is stuck in the 16th century and is very aristocratic. It is ruled by 10 families who have ruled since the first Spaniard set foot on Mexico. The Mexican government is really a puppet for the ruling class.