Montana GOP policy: Make homosexuality illegal

[Golem]

These people are loony. 

Matt Volz
AP via Yahoo
September 18, 2010

HELENA, Mont. – At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.

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[MrsSmith]

Oh, come on.  Homosexual acts have been legal for...um, 20 years now, in some places.  Why, it's been at least 6 years even in Texas...      

[Golem]

On June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down the Texas same-sex sodomy law, ruling that this private sexual conduct is protected by the liberty rights implicit in the due process clause of the United States Constitution. This decision invalidated all state  sodomy laws insofar as they applied to noncommercial conduct in private between consenting civilians and overruled an 1986 ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick which upheld Georgia's sodomy law.

Before that 2003 ruling, 27 states, the District of Columbia and 4 territories had repealed their sodomy laws by legislative action, 9 states had had them overturned or invalidated by state court action, 4 states still had same-sex laws, and 10 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. military had laws applying to all regardless of gender. In 2005 Puerto Rico repealed the sodomy law and in 2006 Missouri legislatures decided to repeal the anti-homosexual "conduct" laws. Three states have yet to repeal anti-homosexual "conduct" laws: Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States#History

[Eupher]

Trying to regulate sexual behavior is like pissing in the wind.

All you get is wet. And an empty bladder.

[MrsSmith]

Trying to regulate sexual behavior is like pissing in the wind.

All you get is wet. And an empty bladder.

And yet...it's been done for centuries.  It's kinda like murder or theft...you may not get rid of it all, but there's a lot less trouble with it.  And fewer people believe they should get special treatment due to the choices they've made.

[Eupher]

And yet...it's been done for centuries.  It's kinda like murder or theft...you may not get rid of it all, but there's a lot less trouble with it.  And fewer people believe they should get special treatment due to the choices they've made.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of deviancy (we all know what that is), but I just don't buy the feds making laws to regulate it, unless that law protects the weak, the young, and the incompetent.

I think the government needs to get out of the bedroom, along with getting its hands out of my pocket.

[IassaFTots]

Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of deviancy (we all know what that is), but I just don't buy the feds making laws to regulate it, unless that law protects the weak, the young, and the incompetent.

I think the government needs to get out of the bedroom, along with getting its hands out of my pocket.

Indeed sir!  Indeed!

 

[MrsSmith]

Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of deviancy (we all know what that is), but I just don't buy the feds making laws to regulate it, unless that law protects the weak, the young, and the incompetent.

I think the government needs to get out of the bedroom, along with getting its hands out of my pocket.

I see no need for the government to be in the bedroom.  However, if the actions were illegal again, maybe we could make everyone else stay in their bedrooms instead of parading it down Main Street, all over TV, and into kids' classrooms.  Moral and decent used to mean being faithful to one spouse of the other sex, doing a good job at work or home, raising your kids right, and going to church on Sunday.  Now it means approving of others' sexual choices, minding your wife, and teaching your sons to be daughters.

[littlelamb]

In what world are they living in to think it is going to work

[TheSarge]

States rights anyone?

So something if a State passes something like Prop 8 it's ok...that's the will of the people...but if the same "people" in a certain state have a majority to make something like this happen suddenly it's "stay out of my bedroom"?

[Eupher]

States rights anyone?

So something if a State passes something like Prop 8 it's ok...that's the will of the people...but if the same "people" in a certain state have a majority to make something like this happen suddenly it's "stay out of my bedroom"?

Your point is taken. And yes, I realize we're talking states' rights here versus the federal "gotta have its nose into everything".

Since the Montana laws against cocksucking and fudgepacking were struck down in 1997, we're talking only about a plank in the platform left over from 12 years ago. It's basically a situation where the Republican party in Montana is essentially guilty of benign neglect - why leave a "policy" in a party platform that runs contrary with state law?

Maybe they've got things so locked up in Montana that it's a no-brainer. Meh. It's not like Montana has an overwhelming political force to reckon with in the grand scheme of things.

But back to the article for just a second. I'm not sure whether the source of this statement is credible, but there is a point to it:

Montana Human Rights Network organizer Kim Abbott said the GOP platform statement does not represent the attitudes of most Montanans, and it shows that the party is out of touch with the prevalent view of the people they are supposed to represent.

"It speaks volumes to the lesbian and gay community how they are perceived by the Republican Party," Abbott said. "It would be nice if Republicans that understand that gay people are human beings would stand up and say they don't agree with that. But I don't know how likely that is."

Since the issue is one of benign neglect rather than an overt policy statement made recently, the Repubs in Montana are basically just pissing all over themselves. But as I said, maybe they've got things so locked up there that it doesn't matter.

[AllosaursRus]

Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of deviancy (we all know what that is), but I just don't buy the feds making laws to regulate it, unless that law protects the weak, the young, and the incompetent.

I think the government needs to get out of the bedroom, along with getting its hands out of my pocket.

Well, they just passed a law where we have to buy med insurance or face a fine and jail time! What's the diff????????

[AllosaursRus]

Your point is taken. And yes, I realize we're talking states' rights here versus the federal "gotta have its nose into everything".

Since the Montana laws against cocksucking and fudgepacking were struck down in 1997, we're talking only about a plank in the platform left over from 12 years ago. It's basically a situation where the Republican party in Montana is essentially guilty of benign neglect - why leave a "policy" in a party platform that runs contrary with state law?

Maybe they've got things so locked up in Montana that it's a no-brainer. Meh. It's not like Montana has an overwhelming political force to reckon with in the grand scheme of things.

But back to the article for just a second. I'm not sure whether the source of this statement is credible, but there is a point to it:

Since the issue is one of benign neglect rather than an overt policy statement made recently, the Repubs in Montana are basically just pissing all over themselves. But as I said, maybe they've got things so locked up there that it doesn't matter.

Montana nowadays is full of Kalifornicators who sold their 3 bedroom ranch homes for a million dollars before the housing bubble popped! They have as many "Blue" pockets as frikkin Philly does!

I may be wrong, but it seems to me they went Blue during the last Pres Election! Either that or it was damnded close!

[Taxman]

I live in Montana.  We think a bit differently out here.  Our mindset is more akin to a mindset of years gone by.  The vast majority of rural Montanans save a few Californicators that have slipped in the past decade are fairly independent but they do not accept immoral behavior.   A lot see the advancements of the gay/lesbo movement as a sign of the moral decay of this country. 

[Golem]

Montana nowadays is full of Kalifornicators who sold their 3 bedroom ranch homes for a million dollars before the housing bubble popped! They have as many "Blue" pockets as frikkin Philly does!

I may be wrong, but it seems to me they went Blue during the last Pres Election! Either that or it was damnded close!

It was close.  McCain barely won in Montana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Montana,_2008

[JohnnyReb]

So this has become a states right thing. huh?

Well, S.C. has a policy of putting HIV+ prisoners in a facility to themselves.           
...keeping them seperate from those that aren't infected. Someone that must be smarter than I has decided to the sue the state forcing them to put HIV+ prisoners in with the uninfected.

Hey, you got to be sooper smart and extremely educated to be that stoopid...right?

[Eupher]

Well, they just passed a law where we have to buy med insurance or face a fine and jail time! What's the diff????????

There is none, in my opinion. TRG's statement about the 10th Amendment is valid.

But we're not talking about that, as it turns out. We're talking about the Republican party in Montana keeping a plank in their platform that advocates making homosexuality illegal. That plank has apparently been there for the past 13 years, despite Montana's having struck down anti-sodomy laws. The logical question that's coming out of that is why?

I'm suggesting benign neglect. But I might be wrong.

If the Repubs are deliberately keeping that plank in their platform, it seems to me that they're being exclusional of gays, homos, trannies, and rug munchers.

The next question that comes out of that is, can the Repubs afford to do that? Taxman suggests perhaps not - the state has been overrun with "Kalifornicators" and the blueness is nigh on to purple.

At the end of the day, my point is making laws that try to regulate sexual behavior or other kinds moral behavior accomplishes little or nothing. People are going to pack fudge and suck cocks, irrespective of what the law (state or federal, makes no difference really) says.

What does putting homos in jail really accomplish? That the state can and will? Seems rather stupid to me.

[AllosaursRus]

There is none, in my opinion. TRG's statement about the 10th Amendment is valid.

But we're not talking about that, as it turns out. We're talking about the Republican party in Montana keeping a plank in their platform that advocates making homosexuality illegal. That plank has apparently been there for the past 13 years, despite Montana's having struck down anti-sodomy laws. The logical question that's coming out of that is why?

I'm suggesting benign neglect. But I might be wrong.

If the Repubs are deliberately keeping that plank in their platform, it seems to me that they're being exclusional of gays, homos, trannies, and rug munchers.

The next question that comes out of that is, can the Repubs afford to do that? Taxman suggests perhaps not - the state has been overrun with "Kalifornicators" and the blueness is nigh on to purple.

At the end of the day, my point is making laws that try to regulate sexual behavior or other kinds moral behavior accomplishes little or nothing. People are going to pack fudge and suck cocks, irrespective of what the law (state or federal, makes no difference really) says.

What does putting homos in jail really accomplish? That the state can and will? Seems rather stupid to me.

It is exactly as you say. However I think it's more the mindset of keeping some kind of moral attitude rather than a politically correct, please everyone all the time, bull shit pampering, of the left!

There's still some Wild West Cowboys over there. As I live in Idaho, I converse with many of them on a day to day basis. We're all just a bunch of ol' horse traders after all. The old guard is plenty pissed about not bein' able to express their opinions without bein' called out for bein' politically incorrect, homophobe, or at the very worst, racist!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I find the to be a (poorly) constructed means of asserting their 10th A rights.

There is a broad array of infringements such as education, health care, etc that could be used to prove their point, gain popular support and have more meaningful impact both in practical terms and in honor of the abstracts of liberty.