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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:40 PMOriginal messageAbout that bill President Obama signed today to save teachers' jobs I teach in an urban district. We have about 16,000 students. 10 years ago we had 35,000 students. 300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work. The reason they were laid off is the decline in enrollment. And the reason there is a decline in enrollment is CHARTER SCHOOLS. The president supports charter schools.
havocmom (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:42 PMResponse to Original message1. Trying to look hopey changey while going around the side door to screw the public Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 10:43 PM by havocmomDon't even get me started on cutting food stamps to help pay teachers. edited to add: Obama promoting charter schools is Obama working to increase the divide between the haves and have nots.
Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 12:20 AMResponse to Reply #2945. Oy... DESTROY PUBLIC EDUCATION....by having an expectation that teachers should display some level of competence. Here's how some elements (not all, but some) of the teachers' unions are DESTROYING PUBLIC EDUCTION in their own right: When the voters demand accountability, they piss and whine and scream and moan. You know what? Every other profession demands some baseline level of competence. You produce results or you're gone. It's how it works out here in the real world.By demanding that they NEVER, EVER be held accountable for the actual results of their work, some elements in the teachers' unions are turning voters away from their support of public education. "**** 'em -- if the teachers refuse to be held accountable, I'll enroll my kid someplace where the teachers WILL accept accountability." Understand This: I can ardently support public education and NOT be a fan of the local teachers' union. Demanding accountability from teachers is not DESTROYING PUBLIC EDUCATION. In fact, accountability just might be the most important element in saving it.
300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work.
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:31 PMResponse to Original message 32. Your district's - KCMO - schools are dangerous and poorly staffed. That's why they lose students. I was unlucky enough to attend KC schools with their crappy teachers in the 70s and 80s. My junior high had armed security guards; one of them was reassigned after harassing female students (a practice he continued at his next assignment at one of the high schools). I don't have the time to catalogue the various incompetencies of the teachers, but they ranged from mild to criminal. I can't imagine the situation has improved much in the intervening years. Parents who can make a choice do - to send their kids to Sion, any of the Shawnee Mission schools, or any place else where there's a chance their kids will be taught something other than which drunk teacher is most likely to set the break room on fire.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:42 PMResponse to Reply #32 35. I think it has more to do with marketing Tell me a free Wii wouldn't have persuaded you to leave that junior high and enroll in a charter school. Or maybe $200? A free computer?
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:50 PMResponse to Reply #35 40. I would've paid $200 and given a Wii to get out of those cesspool schools staffed with morons
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:50 PMResponse to Reply #40 41. Yet you didn't? LOL
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:59 PMResponse to Reply #41 43. Not an option back then. But you know that, right? I remember the SpEd students when I was in college, so I can type slowly for you...
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:59 PMResponse to Reply #4143. Not an option back then. But you know that, right? I remember the SpEd students when I was in college, so I can type slowly for you...
proud2BlibKansan I teach in an urban district.
"The nation that couldn’t be conquered by foreign enemies has been conquered by its elected officials" odawg Free Republic in reference to the GOP Elites who are no difference than the Democrats
In NJ Christie asked the Union to allow Teacher's pay cuts to save jobs, the Union said no, and Teachers were fired, seems like it was the fault of the Union to me.
Wasn't even pay cuts but to forego a pay increase.
What these highly educated elitists don't understand that without any changes in in the system, this 26B is only a band-aid. In a few years they will be in the same position as they are in now. With a different party in power, they very well may be up a creek.
Now I may be all wee wee'ed up here but wasn't much of this money to go to states to help shore up the retirement pay? I thought I heard that somewhere, anyone care to comment on how this bailout works ??
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:40 PMOriginal messageAbout that bill President Obama signed today to save teachers' jobs I teach in an urban district. We have about 16,000 students. 10 years ago we had 35,000 students. 300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work. The reason they were laid off is the decline in enrollment. And the reason there is a decline in enrollment is CHARTER SCHOOLS.The president supports charter schools.
havocmom (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:42 PMResponse to Original message1. Trying to look hopey changey while going around the side door to screw the public Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 10:43 PM by havocmomDon't even get me started on cutting food stamps to help pay teachers.edited to add: Obama promoting charter schools is Obama working to increase the divide between the haves and have nots.
