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Offline MrsSmith

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Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« on: July 14, 2010, 07:44:58 PM »
Approved by Goldman Sachs, but not by little community banks...(who says the Dims aren't the party of big business)  :thatsright:

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Finance Overhaul Casts Long Shadow on the Plains

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GILTNER, Neb.—Farmer Jim Kreutz uses derivatives to soften the blow should the price of feed corn drop before harvest. His brother-in-law, feedlot owner Jon Reeson, turns to them to hedge the price of his steer. The local farmers' co-op uses derivatives to finance fixed-price diesel for truckers who carry cattle to slaughter. And the packing plant employs derivatives to stabilize costs from natural gas to foreign currencies.

Far from Wall Street, President Barack Obama's financial regulatory overhaul, which may pass Congress as early as Thursday, will leave tracks across the wide-open landscape of American industry.

Designed to fix problems that helped cause the financial crisis, the bill will touch storefront check cashiers, city governments, small manufacturers, home buyers and credit bureaus, attesting to the sweeping nature of the legislation, the broadest revamp of finance rules since the 1930s.

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Derivatives are financial instruments whose value "derives" from something else, such as interest rates or heating-oil prices. The first derivatives were crop futures, which appeared in the U.S. at the end of the Civil War and became a standard facet of business for companies across America.

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JBS buys livestock two ways. Sometimes it pays cash for the following week's kill. Sometimes it buys further forward, agreeing in July, for instance, to a fixed price for steer delivered in December. JBS hedges on the derivatives market to make sure live cattle prices don't drop before it takes delivery.

The company also sells beef cuts forward to restaurant chains, promising delivery at set prices months ahead of time. JBS expects to have enough meat to fulfill the agreements. But if it runs short, it doesn't want to risk having to pay higher prices to buy meat to supply those restaurants.

So, it uses the derivatives market to play it safe. To do so, the company has to find a way to hedge different cuts of beef: Tenderloins might represent 1.5% of the total value of a steer. Strip loins might make up 3%. In a sense, JBS protects itself by reconstructing the steer through a derivatives trade on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. "We try to put the carcass back together financially," says company spokesman Chandler Keys.

The company hedges electricity for its refrigerators and natural gas for its boilers. It hedges currencies to stabilize its income from overseas. It hedges fuel for its fleet of thousands of trucks.


What an "awesome" bill...it doesn't touch the foundational problems that caused the economic problems (just as the Stimulus didn't), but will manage to make farming even less profitable and food more expensive.  Yay for Obama, the guy that promised never to take more money from the poor (unless they eat, or have debt, or use energy, or smoke...)  :thatsright:

And Yay for his hand-lickers...the ones that just can't figure out why they have no money OR pony.

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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 10:16:02 AM »
It's basically a travesty that adds a lot of systems and regulators without actually fixing or even touching any of the fundamental problems that gave rise to the crisis in the first place.  But other than just adding more friction and cost to transactions marginally across the board, I don't know that it does massive damage to the system either, unlike the health care bill or most of Obama's other travesties so far.
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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2010, 10:25:34 AM »
They're holding the cloture vote, and it looks like it's going to pass.  I can't help but wonder what the law of unintended consequences will bring forth.

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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2010, 10:26:26 AM »
Fix Fanny and Freddie?....are you kidding....that's the goose that laid the rotten egg that brought the democrats to power.

While republicans want to feed the goose that lays the golden eggs, democrats want to kill it and eat it.
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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2010, 05:06:19 PM »
They're holding the cloture vote, and it looks like it's going to pass.  I can't help but wonder what the law of unintended consequences will bring forth.
They wanted more people to own houses...and look where that's gotten us.   :thatsright:
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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2010, 05:17:31 PM »
They wanted more people to own houses...and look where that's gotten us.   :thatsright:

I think I saw that foreclosures were up 38% again.

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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2010, 06:16:03 PM »
I think I saw that foreclosures were up 38% again.
It took quite some time for Carter's little "minority home-owners" rule to destroy the housing market in the US...any guesses how the current rules on healthcare and the coming rules on energy are going to rebound?   :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 07:05:30 AM »
It's basically a travesty that adds a lot of systems and regulators without actually fixing or even touching any of the fundamental problems that gave rise to the crisis in the first place.  But other than just adding more friction and cost to transactions marginally across the board, I don't know that it does massive damage to the system either, unlike the health care bill or most of Obama's other travesties so far.

It goes further than that.  Remember, up here in the Northeast and other cold-weather states, a lot of people depend on "pre-buy" for their winter heating oil or propane.  If you don't have the ability to purchase that fuel based on derivatives, you're now forcing your customers to limit how much they can buy at a particular time, or basically turn everyone into "cash" customers, who will in many cases pay more as the winter goes on and stocks dwindle.

Or worse, you'll have people like one distributor in Exeter who simply take the money and run when they realize they can't possibly fulfill their contracts without taking a major loss.
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Re: Financial overhaul, doesn't touch Freddie and Fanny...
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 07:08:04 AM »
It took quite some time for Carter's little "minority home-owners" rule to destroy the housing market in the US...any guesses how the current rules on healthcare and the coming rules on energy are going to rebound?   :banghead: :banghead:

That's okay--we'll all be in those wonderful, "Habitat For Humanity" houses...(puke)
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