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Offline thundley4

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Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« on: June 09, 2010, 03:52:38 PM »
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Sebastian Doyle   (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:40 PM
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Poll question: If you oppose unions, you are not a Democrat.
   
Agree or disagree. There is no "other" in this poll
Poll result (138 votes)
Agree    (111 votes, 80%)   Vote
Disagree    (27 votes, 20%)   Vote
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dmallind   (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:45 PM
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1. Have to define "oppose"
   
If "oppose" is seen as "be able to disgree with union positions in negotiations, disputes, and political priorities" that's different from "don't think unions should exist".

I have been told numerous times I am opposed to unions when I simply disagree with a particular action or stance of a particular union. Automatically assuming unions are always correct is not being a Democrat, it's being an unthinking mindless automaton.

Personally I support a union if I think it is right and oppose it if I think it is wrong, but I am firmly behind the ability of workers to form or join a union, or not, as the majority decides.

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Cant trust em   (1000+ posts)             Wed Jun-09-10 02:50 PM
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7. That level of nuance is not helpful in a binary world. nt

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Starbucks Anarchist   (1000+ posts)             Wed Jun-09-10 03:18 PM
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19. Well said.
   
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:18 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
I'm reminded of the prison-guard union in CA that has been instrumental in promoting the draconian "three strikes" law that profits them financially.

It's a far cry from say, safety concerns in a meatpacking plant.

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OneTenthofOnePercent   (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:47 PM
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3. Define "oppose unions"?
   
What if one oppose some unions yet favor others... do they "oppose unions"?

Is unanimous support for all unions required to "support unions"?
is opposition for almost all unions required to "oppuse unions"?
Where is the delineation?... there could be alot of grey area between "oppose" and "support".

There is no other choice. Support unions or be banned from DU.

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KonaKane (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:48 PM
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5. The fact that there are six disagree votes on this question
   
is a more startling part of the post than your OP.

Six people fell into the mole trap.

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Dawson Leery (270 posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 03:17 PM
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17. Law Enforcement, Military, etc...
   
when you have their power and the level of deference, you do not need a union.

Since when do the military have a union? DUmass.
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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 04:36:43 PM »
Go ahead and form a union, but its not "majority decides" it is individual decides!!

And if you strike, you'd better hope your skills aren't easy to replace. lol.
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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 04:50:00 PM »
Progressives all about any and all differences as long as everyone thinks the same.
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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 05:17:25 PM »
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KonaKane (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:48 PM
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5. The fact that there are six disagree votes on this question
   
is a more startling part of the post than your OP.

And KonaKane throws the 'Moletrap' flag on the play!

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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 06:41:14 PM »
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KonaKane (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-09-10 02:48 PM
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5. The fact that there are six disagree votes on this question
   
is a more startling part of the post than your OP.

Current results:

Poll result (167 votes)
Agree    (137 votes, 82%)   
Disagree (30 votes, 18%)
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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 11:42:54 AM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on June 09, 2010, 06:41:14 PM
Current results:

Poll result (167 votes)
Agree    (137 votes, 82%)   
Disagree (30 votes, 18%)

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Re: Another "mole trap" poll, this one about unions.
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 04:34:56 PM »
I had this epiphany the other day:  When a company does something to remain competitive like cutting wages or laying off workers, its exploitation.

When a union takes money out of a workers paycheck and gives it to a Democrat, it is not called exploitation, it is called representation.

So, if you want to start a business just put "union" in the company name and have at it.  It should be a free pass.
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