More hating on Obama and some defense of Bush?????

[terry]

 

Echo In Light  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 04:29 PM
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US actors, intellectuals protest Obama 'crimes'
   
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US actors, intellectuals protest Obama 'crimes'

NEW YORK — US actors and liberal intellectuals joined a list to be published Friday of nearly 2,000 people accusing President Barack Obama of allowing human rights violations and war crimes.

"Crimes are crimes, no matter who does them," the statement reads over pictures of Obama and his predecessor George W. Bush due to appear in the New York Review of Books.

The statement, published as a paid advertisement, accuses Obama, who was elected in 2008 with the enthusiastic support of US liberals, of continuing Bush's controversial approach to human rights in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in domestic security.

It takes aim especially at Obama's decision -- reported by US officials -- to authorize the killing of a radical Islamic cleric and US citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, who is accused of ties to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.

"In some respects this is worse than Bush," the statement says. "First, because Obama has claimed the right to assassinate American citizens whom he suspects of 'terrorism,' merely on the grounds of his own suspicion or that of the CIA, something Bush never claimed publicly."

Among the signatories are linguist Noam Chomsky, "L.A. Confidential" actor James Cromwell, actor Mark Ruffalo and prominent Bush-era anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan. By midday Thursday there were 1,804 signatures.

They also lambast Obama for having refused "to prosecute any members of the Bush regime who are responsible for war crimes, including some who admitted to waterboarding and other forms of torture, thereby making their actions acceptable for him."
"Wanton killing of innocent civilians is terrorism, not a war against terrorism." Chomsky

ProSense  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 04:34 PM
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2. "In some respects this is worse than Bush"
   
"They also lambast Obama for having refused "to prosecute any members of the Bush regime who are responsible for war crimes"

Maybe they should have done an ad, or several, immediately after the inauguration demanding that Bush be prosecuted.

Hey, it's not too late.

marshall  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 05:16 PM
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28. And in what respects is it not worse than Bush?
   
It seems more accurate that they are saying it is the SAME as Bush, not better or worse.

Icee  Donating Member  (843 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat May-15-10 09:16 AM
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103. When Bush invaded Iraq, there was ostensibly a valid reason
   
for doing so. Those reasons turned out to be phony. When that was learned we should have left Iraq immediately. Pretty much the same thing in Afghanstan...except our motives for entering there were as self-serving. Anyway, there were ruses in place for going into these places. This is the Bush, Cheney legacy. But now we KNOW all this and are still fighting in these places and in the case of Afghanistan expanding our activities. From the perspective of the actors doing something we now KNOW is wrong is worse than doing something we didn't always think was wrong. That's my take on it.

spanone  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 04:44 PM
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14. worse than bu$h*? these ****ers are taking LSD
   

Flaneur  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 06:26 PM
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31. I don't think Bush claimed the right to murder US citizens without trial.
   
Am I wrong?

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[djones520]

I expected people to go up in flames over that last post you copied...  much to my suprise I see people actually agreeing...

What the hell is going on?!?!  When DUmmies are actually saying Bush was better about something then Obama we know the world is in trouble.

[The Village Idiot]

That might mean granite

[thundley4]

Some of the DUmmies are unhappy with the news that 0Bama is still running a secret torture in Bagram.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8337484

[dandi]

I expected people to go up in flames over that last post you copied...  much to my suprise I see people actually agreeing...

What the hell is going on?!?!  When DUmmies are actually saying Bush was better about something then Obama we know the world is in trouble.

In substance abuse treatment, there is something similar to this referred to as "a moment of clarity".

Perhaps there's been a dry spell amongst the suppliers and the cannabinoid-induced haze has lifted ever so slightly for a few of them. At least until they can scrape up some bong residue.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

racists

[terry]

Here's another.  Denying the claim that Obama saved the world.  How dare they???

Karmadillo  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri May-14-10 10:02 PM
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Obama, Congress and Bernanke did not save the world from a Great Depression
   
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http://www.ianwelsh.net/obama-congress-and-bernanke-did... /

by Ian Welsh

Sorry, they simply did not. The baseline IMF forecast before the bailouts and before the stimulus bill tracks almost exactly what happened.

The bailouts were an actual net drag on the economy. Instead of cleaning up banks balance sheets, they allowed zombie banks to continue to exist, banks which are crippled when it comes to lending. In order to make sure these banks can pay down their bad debts, the Fed not only had to take on huge amounts of their paper at par when it was worth 20 cents at most, it has had to lend to them at concessionary rates, pay extra interest to them, and let them leverage that to make obscene profits from what lending they are doing (why did your credit card rate go up, that’s why?) and from trading on a captive market.

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Furthermore, there were far, far more intelligent things which could have been done. The crisis was, as the tired phrase goes, also an opportunity to break the power of monied interests, so that ordinary Americans could prosper again and could reclaim their government. The stimulus was an opportunity to restructure the US economy to allow real, widespread growth in the future.

Both those opportunities were wasted, and they were wasted by Obama. TARP would not have passed without him, and once he was in power he could have demanded that Bernanke do as he commanded (break the banks) or step down, if Bernanke wouldn’t, he could have easily impeached him. The stimulus was his stimulus.

Obama, Congress, Bernanke, Geithner, Paulson—none of them saved anybody except the banks and the rich from apocalypse. I understand that partisan Democrats want to pretend Dems saved the world, but they did no such thing.

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[Duke Nukum]

Must be the 2012 end of the world thing.  Only on a psychological level.

[zeitgeist]

Mmmm Mmmm Mmmmm. 

I liked this added touch:



Dummies.  Intellectuals.  Actors.  Yep quite a show over there.  Makes ya wanta shout:




HEY BARRY, WHO's YER DADDY??