Martial Law in Chicago? Some want troops on the ground of quagmire

[The Village Idiot]

Time for some Facist Martial Law in Thugland??

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/state-reps-want-to-fight-violence-with-national-guards-help.html

http://www.signon.mobi/sdut/db_11875/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=IPZ5nMK2&detailindex=0&pn=0&ps=3

Two state representatives called on Gov. Pat Quinn Sunday to deploy the Illinois National Guard to safeguard Chicago's streets.

Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.

"Is this a drastic call to action? Of course it is," Fritchey said. "Is it warranted when we are losing residents to gun violence at such an alarming rate? Without question. We are not talking about rolling tanks down the street or having armed guards on each corner."

What he envisions, Fritchey said, is a "heightened presence on the streets," particularly on the roughly 9 percent of city blocks where most of the city's violent crimes occur.

Weis previously identified those "hot spots" and said he plans to create a 100-person team made up of selected and volunteer police personnel to respond to crime there. If guardsmen were to assist police, they could comprise or contribute to that force, Fritchey said.

[littlelamb]

Why should National Guard have to do that

[JohnnyReb]

Why should National Guard have to do that

Because the community organizer is away.....busy screwing up the rest of the country at the moment.

[thundley4]

IIRC, didn't Blago threaten to send the NG to Chicago several times when weekend violence got heavier than normal?

On a side note, Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet have more gun crimes in a given weekend than many places have in a year.

[vesta111]

Much depends on how this is done.  Don't forget that just because someone is in the National Guard that does not automatically make them any better then the street thugs all around them.

Katrina aftermath showed  some on the police force in full uniform looting the stores.

Any way, the Guard would have to be retrained in the rules and regulations of the city's laws and human rights. Would they have the power to arrest, confiscate weapons, drugs, thieves,---how would the donut shops go about suppling free donuts and coffee for that number of hungry Guards men and woman.???

Bringing in the Guard would place everyone in fear especially the non criminal element. The stress of living under suspicion, trying to separate themselves from family members that may be wanted-----Pre-WW2 Germany comes to mind.

The Gangs will now have something to do, figure out how to outsmart the Guard, what a hoot when they steal the Guards transports.   This could lead to the stop of gang fighting, they would all band together for a common cause.

This is the worse idea I have heard of in years, it gives me the creepy crawlies just thinking of what could go wrong.

[zeitgeist]

Much depends on how this is done.  Don't forget that just because someone is in the National Guard that does not automatically make them any better then the street thugs all around them.

Katrina aftermath showed  some on the police force in full uniform looting the stores.

Any way, the Guard would have to be retrained in the rules and regulations of the city's laws and human rights. Would they have the power to arrest, confiscate weapons, drugs, thieves,---how would the donut shops go about suppling free donuts and coffee for that number of hungry Guards men and woman.???

Bringing in the Guard would place everyone in fear especially the non criminal element. The stress of living under suspicion, trying to separate themselves from family members that may be wanted-----Pre-WW2 Germany comes to mind.

The Gangs will now have something to do, figure out how to outsmart the Guard, what a hoot when they steal the Guards transports.   This could lead to the stop of gang fighting, they would all band together for a common cause.

This is the worse idea I have heard of in years, it gives me the creepy crawlies just thinking of what could go wrong.

After reading this Vesta, I am thinking what gives you the creepy crawlies is actually Monday morning withdrawal syndrome.   Come on Vesta, free donuts?   

What is needed is not Martial law but Marshal Dillon.  Start filling up boot hill, rather than clogging up the court and prison system. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

What I find so incredibly ironic is that I felt safer in the two neighborhoods where I lived in the city of Chicago than the two other major cities where I've lived in my lifetime.  Unfortunately there are pockets of Chicago that are just filled with constant gang violence.  Nothing that the city or "community organizers" have done has ever seemed to help.  It's a freaking war-zone.  I have no idea what the proper solution is.  The Chicago police work their butts off...I've known several and worked in a building where one of their satellite offices was located.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

WTF would the ILARNG do?

They can't arrest people so unless the the thugs intend on shooting it out nothing will happen. They can just go to ground until the state runs out of deployment money (about 2 weeks, tops, if that...and then they have to beg for federal dollars).

They should pass a law requiring all males over 18 w/o criminal record to carry a handgun of 9mm caliber or larger with a minimum of 6 rounds.

All female head-of-household w/o criminal record must maintain a separate but similar weapon in the residence at all times unless carried while away on public travel.

So speaketh the bunny.

[Thor]

Chicago only goes to prove the bumper sticker logic that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[Airwolf]

What I find so incredibly ironic is that I felt safer in the two neighborhoods where I lived in the city of Chicago than the two other major cities where I've lived in my lifetime.  Unfortunately there are pockets of Chicago that are just filled with constant gang violence.  Nothing that the city or "community organizers" have done has ever seemed to help.  It's a freaking war-zone.  I have no idea what the proper solution is.  The Chicago police work their butts off...I've known several and worked in a building where one of their satellite offices was located.

I say we take off now and nuke the entire city from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I say we take off now and nuke the entire city from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Can we target the nukes so it only takes out parts of the city?

[DumbAss Tanker]

WTF would the ILARNG do?

Provide a ready source of relatively-new M4 carbines and M16A2 rifles for the gangs to harvest...?

[debk]

I was up through the middle of the night last night....and had ABC all night news on.

They had a newspot regarding the high murder rate in Chicago this past month. More have died there this month than since the first of the year in Afghanistan and Iraq. 7 or 8 were killed there the other night.....

[Ralph Wiggum]

I was up through the middle of the night last night....and had ABC all night news on.

They had a newspot regarding the high murder rate in Chicago this past month. More have died there this month than since the first of the year in Afghanistan and Iraq. 7 or 8 were killed there the other night.....

Murders are actually down since the early-mid 90's.

1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 931
1994: 929
1995: 827
1996: 789
1997: 759
1998: 704
1999: 641
2000: 628
2001: 666
2002: 647
2003: 598
2004: 448
2005: 449
2006: 467
2007: 442
2008: 510

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

[JohnnyReb]

Where's the community organizer when you really need him....off jetsetting around.

[Pat]

I was up through the middle of the night last night....and had ABC all night news on.

They had a newspot regarding the high murder rate in Chicago this past month. More have died there this month than since the first of the year in Afghanistan and Iraq. 7 or 8 were killed there the other night.....

rats in a cage....

[NHSparky]

Jonn at TAH has a good analysis:

LINK

[The Village Idiot]

Jonn at TAH has a good analysis:

LINK
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What a name for a blog

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Provide a ready source of relatively-new M4 carbines and M16A2 rifles for the gangs to harvest...?

That's what happened in So Fl after hurricane Andrew. Bubba sent federal troops in but posse comitatus kept them from carrying ammo with their weapons so they were disarmed by local gangs.

[The Village Idiot]

That's what happened in So Fl after hurricane Andrew. Bubba sent federal troops in but posse comitatus kept them from carrying ammo with their weapons so they were disarmed by local gangs.
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Sending unarmed troops into the inner-city is a bad idea.

[Ptarmigan]

Chicago is a quagmire of corruption.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Why are libs quick to call for military troops in a US city but can't seem to find the spine to use the troops to oust terror-sponsoring maniacal dictators or even holding our own national borders?

[The Village Idiot]

Why are libs quick to call for military troops in a US city but can't seem to find the spine to use the troops to oust terror-sponsoring maniacal dictators or even holding our own national borders?

Remember in college Obama was pretty much against jails and prisons even existing.

Leftists want criminals on the street they want Chicago to be everywhere. Its a crisis that they don't want to waste.

Imagine national martial law, elections suspended, libs in power forever.

[MarshallLaw]

That's what happened in So Fl after hurricane Andrew. Bubba sent federal troops in but posse comitatus kept them from carrying ammo with their weapons so they were disarmed by local gangs.

One tiny correction, Mr.Bunny, if you don't mind.

Andrew happened when Bush41 was President. In fact, he received the exact same criticism that Bush43 received over Katrina for the exact same reason.

The Metro Dade emergency director (I think that's who she was) was on TV screaming "where's the calvary" i.e. the Feds, so everyone dumped on GHWB for "delaying the Federal response", when in fact it was because the idiot Democrat Governor of Florida, Lawton Chiles, didn't ask for Federal help at first.

Chiles even said in effect "we're Florida, we can take care of ourselves" because he didn't want to be upstaged by a Republican administration.


I was living on the west coast of Florida at the time all this happened. Spent the night before and the morning of the storm in a shelter.

[zeitgeist]

Why are libs quick to call for military troops in a US city but can't seem to find the spine to use the troops to oust terror-sponsoring maniacal dictators or even holding our own national borders?

This could be a great rethorical question or post of the day. Either case is valid in my mind.