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Offline thundley4

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Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« on: March 30, 2010, 06:46:56 PM »
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts)             Mon Mar-29-10 09:23 PM
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JFK is largely a myth   
   
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 09:24 PM by Ardent15
He campaigned on the non-existent "missile gap", was rather indifferent and overly cautious with civil rights (gotta love that "incrementalism", and pionnered the TV campaign of style over substance. He got most everywhere he went in life because of his asshole father. And he didn't accomplish much in his 14 years in Congress.

Plus, he was fond of counterinsurgency in Vietnam, and increased the number of "advisers" there by the thousands. But he was a good politician and powerful speaker, so I guess that makes him a great President.

I'm not saying this because I think JFK was actually a bad President (I don't think he was). What I'm saying is that if you look at his record, he wasn't a particularly great one, and there's so much myth about him-mostly because of his assassination.

Speaking of which, I loathe this image of the JFK administration as "Camelot" and "his untapped potential" and how he is routinely placed by the public as one of the Great Presidents. He was no FDR, Truman, Lincoln, or Teddy Roosevelt.

If you want to a true liberal icon, look at his youngest brother.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8048403

I always thought something like this would have called for a pizza.

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saltpoint   (1000+ posts)             Mon Mar-29-10 09:27 PM
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1. I'll trade you three dozen Evan Bayhs for one John Kennedy.   
   
I'll even throw in a Ben Nelson, a Bill Nelson, both Senators from Arkansas, and a Bart Stupak.

For ONE John Kennedy.

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Ardent15 (1000+ posts)             Mon Mar-29-10 09:29 PM
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3. I never said Kennedy was BAD   
   
Yes, when you compare him to corporate assholes, he looks great.

Damning with faint praise.

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saltpoint   (1000+ posts)             Mon Mar-29-10 09:33 PM
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11. I think he looks great as a stand-alone figure as well. I like the classical   
   
education. I like the emphasis he and his wife placed on inviting men and women of letters to the White House.

I like what he had to say about Poetry.

And the Arts generally.

I liked the easy, good humor he had with the press corps, even on policy questions.

I liked the Berlin speech generally and the mastery of context especially.

He was a vivid man. It took him a long way in his life. He was reviled by the same sinister right-wing elements similar to those gathered last weekend in Searchlight, Nevada.

Someone plotted to kill him. I'm agnostic on who it was, or how many were involved, or how many bullets went where from a building or a knoll. But someone wanted him dead and got their wish. "Young god without wound / The West is the place to die, my President," Robert Hazel wrote.

You make him sound like an elitist asshole. Oh wait, never mind.

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Grand Taurean (783 posts)           Mon Mar-29-10 09:30 PM
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7. True. Remember though he had good intentions AND....
   
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 09:41 PM by Grand Taurean
JFK as still to the left of the infamous right wing appeasing "DINO".

And yes, Lyndon Johnson fought for and got us civil rights. Like him or not, he understood power and had connections in the right places that could get him what he wanted.

While JFK was having, shall we say, "fun", LBJ was doing the hard work. LBJ was having "fun" too, but he did much for his constituency. As the Senate majority leader, he successfully held back the hard right's urges to dismantle the FDR welfare state as well as held influence over Eisenhower.

A few notes:
On economic matters, I would prefer Jack over Barack anyday.
On defense: Kennedy would NEVER play dead if the country were to be attacked, he was hesitant strike first, though
there is debate about whether or not he was going to actually pull out of Vietnam.

JFK spoke of doing great things, but never could push ahead to actually get those things done.

JFK cut taxes that is something no current DemonRat would do.

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laughingliberal   (1000+ posts)           Mon Mar-29-10 09:34 PM
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12. I'd place him at least 10 steps to the left of the current administration. nt

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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 07:14:11 PM »
They have got to be the most misinformed and ignorant batch of idiots alive.
JFK wouldn`t be allowed in DU if he were alive today and doubtful the dem party in general either.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 07:14:58 PM »
I agree with Camelot being a myth, but if I had to pick a favorite Dem president, it would be JFK. At least he was anti-communist.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 07:46:21 PM »
Quote from: blitzkrieg_17 on March 30, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
I agree with Camelot being a myth, but if I had to pick a favorite Dem president, it would be JFK. At least he was anti-communist.

By today's standards, JFK wouldn't even be a Democrat......Oh, BTW, I voted for Goldwater.......

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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 10:57:29 PM »
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts)             Mon Mar-29-10 09:23 PM
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Obama is largely a myth   

I predict we'll be seeing this in a few years, too.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 11:00:41 PM »
0Bama is a legend in his mind and in the minds of DUmmies who bought every piece of BS the MSM told them.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 05:32:30 AM »
Where did the saltpeter primitive get this notion that the Kennedy White House was "more receptive" to artists, musicians, than the preceding White House?

Oh yeah; Pablo Casals played for the Kennedys in one singular televised event.

Some historian some years ago looked at this, and discovered that the Eisenhower White House actually entertained more artists and musicians.....but of course, those weren't gala television events.

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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 06:48:07 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 30, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8048403

I always thought something like this would have called for a pizza.

Damning with faint praise.

You make him sound like an elitist *******. Oh wait, never mind.

JFK cut taxes that is something no current DemonRat would do.

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Glad you brought this by.  Now if you want to tie it in with the Nixon praises in the Romney Insurance thread and post a pic of dummy heads 'splodin........that would be great.   I got a lot to do this morning so I don't have the time to go looking.




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EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Tue Mar-30-10 03:44 PM
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38. Much earlier than Romney.
 Wasn't this Nixon's idea in the first place?  
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 phleshdef  (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-30-10 03:54 PM

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43. Yea and its an idea we should have took Nixon up on.
  
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 EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Tue Mar-30-10 03:57 PM

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44. That's perfect.
 LOL
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 phleshdef  (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-30-10 04:06 PM

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47. Are you telling me that the next 30 years after that chance were better off?
  
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 EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Tue Mar-30-10 04:18 PM

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58. I'll refer you back to the title of the OP.
 Have a nice day!
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 phleshdef  (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-30-10 04:22 PM
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60. Nixon's bill would have covered pre-existing conditions.
 There are people that died younger than they should have because we didn't do that when we had the chance.  
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 HughMoran  (1000+ posts)        Tue Mar-30-10 04:02 PM
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46. By today's standards, Nixon is a liberal
 ...though I'm not necessarily agreeing that it was Nixon's idea - just sayin...
 




The link is here>

Obie will never be able to hold a candle to JFK, let alone Nixon.  Suck on that DUMMIES. :rotf:
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 07:48:53 AM »
A contemporary DUmmie demo president would never have made the "Ask not..." remark. 
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 09:01:21 AM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 30, 2010, 07:46:21 PM
By today's standards, JFK wouldn't even be a Democrat......Oh, BTW, I voted for Goldwater.......

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Yep, he and MLK would most likely be Republicans by today's standards.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 09:06:15 AM »
Quote from: Carl on March 30, 2010, 07:14:11 PM
They have got to be the most misinformed and ignorant batch of idiots alive.
JFK wouldn`t be allowed in DU if he were alive today and doubtful the dem party in general either.

Yeah, they sure wouldn't have liked that NRA membership thingie!

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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 09:15:12 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 31, 2010, 09:06:15 AM
Yeah, they sure wouldn't have liked that NRA membership thingie!

 :lmao:

It still amazes me that the DUmp has a firearms forum.
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 10:58:06 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on March 31, 2010, 05:32:30 AM
Where did the saltpeter primitive get this notion that the Kennedy White House was "more receptive" to artists, musicians, than the preceding White House?
Well, Marilyn Monroe was a musician. I mean, she sang "Happy Birthday", right?
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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 11:33:48 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on March 31, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
Well, Marilyn Monroe was a musician. I mean, she sang "Happy Birthday", right?

She was also an 'Artist,' of a sort...

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Re: Piss on the mythical Camelot.
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 08:59:44 PM »
What art form was she studying :tongue:
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