Make the Republicans say it!

[Freeper]

whyverne  (341 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 11:24 AM
Original message
Make the Republicans say it!
   
Make them say that all Democrats are socialists.
Not just the Becks and Limbaughs.
I'm sick of all of them calling Obama a socialist. Call them out on it. Tell them to show you a Socialist website or paper that is praising Obama. They can't.
That must mean that the Socialists are so clever and so organized and so nefarious that they've all agreed not to praise Obama.

Or it means that it's a lie.
Every Democratic congressman and senator should ask, "Are you calling me a Socialist?"
Every ironworker, auto worker and union member should ask, "Are you calling me a Socialist?"
Everybody who voted Democratic, about half the country; should ask, "Are you calling me a Socialist?"

Take the personal and make it universal. Make them say it, "Are you talking to me. Are you calling me a Socialist?".

Make them draw the battle line. Then we'll see where we stand.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7762496

I'll make it easy for you DUmmy, all of you are socialists.
That bit about socialist websites not praising Obama is just stupid. Of course the socialists people aren't happy with Obama they want socialism overnight not, over time like how Obama is trying to make us a socialist nation. If you look at the goals of each they both share the same goals. Obama realizes that he has to do it bit by bit because the American people do not want it. Luckily people have woken up and realized what he is doing.

Zoeisright  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 12:10 PM
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2. Make them define Socialism.
   
Edited on Sun Feb-21-10 12:11 PM by Zoeisright
As in:

Air Traffic Control
National Weather Service
Water and Sewer
National Institutes of Health
Center for Disease Control
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Unemployment Insurance
Fire
Police
FDA
USDA
DOT
The VA Hospital
The Post Office
Prisons
Parks (national and local)
Beaches (national and local)
Libraries
Road, Streets, Highways, byways, Freeways
Schools
The U.S. Military

For the billionth time DUmmies the military is a function not only allowed by the constitution but, required.
Roads and stuff like that should be funded by the states however the feds do throw in additional funding. But, if the feds pay for highways we do not lose freedoms from the govt's actions.

piratefish08  Donating Member  (683 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 12:13 PM
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3. I'd be happy if the majority of them could even SPELL 'socialism'.......

I'd be happy if you could spell martial law correctly.

subterranean  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 12:21 PM
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4. Ask them which of Obama's policies they consider socialist.
   
Bailing out Wall Street banks? Yes and you left out taxing the piss out of them after they paid it back
Bailing out General Motors? yes seizing control of general motors may even be described as fascist
Mandatory private health insurance?yes and its a major violation of the constitution
Extended unemployment benefits? yes by definition unemployment is socialism
Middle-class tax cuts? no but, he hasn't given any tax cuts
The stimulus package they voted against but praised when it benefited their own districts? yes and it was a bad idea under Bush

I don't like the idea of asking, "Are you calling me a socialist?" It plays into the perception that "socialist" is an insult. Bernie Sanders is a socialist (or more accurately, a democratic socialist), and he's one of my favorite Senators.

whyverne  (341 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 02:13 PM
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6. Go ahead, let them define the terms.
   
This is why Democrats are such ****ing losers. Most people don't like the label socialist. I don't know what to say if you can't see that.

Most people see the evils of socialism. You can argue that there are evils under the economic system of capitalism as well but the evils are a lot less.

patrice  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 02:35 PM
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11. Make them say that Individual values ALWAYS trump Group values.

That is true of everyone no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on your rights and values are what is most important to you. You libs try to say you want free healthcare for the poor when in reality you want it free for yourself. You try to use that you want to help others as an excuse to try to get what you want for your self.

[franksolich]

You libs try to say you want free healthcare for the poor when in reality you want it free for yourself. You try to use that you want to help others as an excuse to try to get what you want for your self.

Bull's-eye.

In fact, a bull's-eye right in the middle of a bull's-eye.

[Celtic Rose]

From the Social Democrats USA website:

We have endorsed the candidacies of Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Obama and Biden are not socialists. They are not even clearly liberal, in the American sense. However, we prefer them to their Republican opponents. We are not deluded. The election of a Democratic president will not change society to be profoundly fairer and more equitable. A Republican, on the other hand, will be a profound detriment to fairness in the American economy. We wish that America had a socialist movement strong enough to field credible candidates. That is not presently the case. Brian Moore, the candidate of the Socialist Party of the United States of America, strikes us as a fine fellow and a comrade. He appears to be a democratic socialist without totalitarian leanings. Where possible, we will aid Moore in reaching a larger audience with his message. We prefer Moore to Nader, McKinney, or Barr. However, it truly matters to trade-unionists, to the poor, to those without healthcare whether Barack Obama or John McCain is our next president. We urge anyone where the race is close to vote for Obama. We are not convinced that any states will not be close. In states where the presidential race is lopsided and for those who absolutely cannot bring themselves to vote for a major party candidate, we find Moore preferable to other third-party candidates.

Check out the front page to see our endorsement of the Obama/Biden ticket. There is a great deal of work for social democrats in this campaign. Many citizens cannot get past racial or gender biases in order to support Obama. This could be tragic. The right has already begun to attack Obama as a communist and a supporter of totalitarians. As social democrats, we need to combat unfair attacks on Barack Obama and the prejudices which could leave our nation in its current malaise.

http://www.socialdemocratsusa.org/socialistparty.shtml

Also from that website:

The Socialist Party, USA, in 1956, chose to stop running candidates of its own, except on rare occasion. During the 1960's, we began to work in the Democratic Party. This is where our allies in the civil rights and trade union movement worked and continue to work politically. We are proud of what we helped accomplish within the Democratic Party, particularly the civil rights legislation and anti-poverty programs of the the 1960's.

http://www.socialdemocratsusa.org/index.shtml

[The Village Idiot]

Rose has shown them two.

haha

[Splashdown]

Sigh.

Socialist Platform, 1928:

Herewith the economic planks of the socialist party platform of 1928, along with an indication in parentheses of how these planks have fared. The list that follows includes every economic plank, but not the full language of each.


1.“Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam an Muscle Shoals.” (Boulder Dam, renamed Hoover Damn, and Muscle Shoals are now both federal government projects.)
2.“A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost.” (This is a generally accepted process across the country.)
3.“National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication.” (Railroad passenger service is completely nationalized through Amtrak. Some freight service is nationalized through Conrail. Private railroads are strictly regulated by the Federal Government. The FCC controls communications by telephone, telegraph, radio, and television.)
4.“An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation.” (Government expenditures for these purposes are currently in thee many billions of dollars.)
5.“Immediate governmental relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works . . .” (In the 1930s, WPA and PWA were a direct counterpart; now, a wide variety of other programs are.) “All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions.” (The Davis-Bacon and Walsh-Healey Acts require contractors with government contracts to pay “prevailing wages,” generally interpreted as highest union wages – also the national minimum wage.)
6.“Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery.” (Federal grants in aid to states and local municipalities currently total tens of billions of dollars a year.)
7.“A system of unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security system.)
8.“The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor.” (U.S. Employment Service and affiliated state employment services administer a network of about 2,500 local employment offices.)
9.“A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security. Full global health insurance proposed widely.)
10.“Shortening the workday” and “Securing every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week.” (Legislated by wages and hours laws that require overtime for more than forty hours of work per week.)
11.“Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment.” (Not achieved as amendment, but essence incorporated into various legislative acts.)
12.“Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents.” (Partly achieved, partly not.)
13.“Increase taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.” (In 1928, highest personal income tax rate, 25 percent; in 2008, 35 percent, above 40 percent proposed by Obama; in 1928, corporate tax rate, 12 percent; in 2008, 35-39% percent with proposed increases by Obama; in 1928, top federal estate tax rate, 20 percent; in 2008, 48% with proposed increases by Obama.)
14.“Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation.” (Not achieved in this form, but property taxes have risen drastically.)

link

[The Village Idiot]

The Communist Party endorsed Obama during the election campaign.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-party-backs-obama/

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/communist-party-backs-obama-for-prez

[Ree]

This Conservative will say "Go **** yourselves ya stupid mofos"
See that wasn't hard....asswipes

[Carl]

From this older thread here...  
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,40669.0.html

Hannah Bell (1000+ posts)          Sat Feb-13-10 04:12 PM
Original message
"Strike and National Day of Action to Defend Public Ed" 3/4/10
  
ENDORSED BY (list in formation):

Organizations

The Adjunct Project, CUNY Graduate Center, New York City
AFSCME 3800, University of Minnesota Clerical Workers
All Nations Alliance
Anakbayan Los Angeles
Anakbayan New York/New Jersey, Jersey City, NJ
Anakbayan Philippines
Bail Out the People Movement
Baltimore Algebra Project
Baltimore Solidarity Center
BAYAN-USA
California Prison Moratorium Project
California State University Employees Union
Campus Antiwar Network (CAN)
Chicago World Can’t Wait
Chop from the Top Coalition, University of Minnesota
Coalition for Community Justice, Eckerd College, St. Petersburg, FL
Coalition for Equal Quality Education, Boston
Coalition for Public Education / Coalición por la Educación Pública, New York City
Coalition for Social Reform, UMass-Lowell
Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration, and Immigrant Rights and Fight for Equality By Any Means Necessary (BAMN)
Committee for Revolutionizing the AcaDemy (ComRAD), University of Minnesota
Community Organizing Center for Mother Earth, Columbus, Ohio
Connecticut Students Against the War
CUNY Campaign to Defend Education
Democracy Insurgent, Seattle
DestroyIndustrY, Raleigh, NC
Education For All, San Diego
Fight Imperialism, Stand Together
Free UCR Alliance, UC Riverside
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
Georgia State University Progressive Student Alliance
Giant Record Corporation, Amherst, MA
Graduate Student Employees Union, SUNY Stony Brook
Graduate Student Workers United, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis-St.Paul
Hawai’i Solidarity Committee
Human Rights Action Committee, Framingham State College, MA
Institute for Critical Animal Studies
International Socialist Organization
International Workers and Students for Justice – University of Washington in Seattle
The Kennebunks Peace Department
L.A. County Peace & Freedom Party
League for the Revolutionary Party, New York City
Low-Income Student Alliance, New School University, New York City
March 4 Organizing Committee, CSU Monterey Bay
Massachusetts Student Action Coalition
Massachusetts Students Uniting
May 1st Coalition for Worker & Immigrant Rights, New York City
National MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán)
Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán (MEChA), Milwaukee
Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán (MEChA), UC San Diego
Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán (MEChA), USC
National Assembly to End the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars & Occupations
Network to Fight for Economic Justice
New School in Exile, New York City
NYC Anti-War Coalition
Oakland Education Association
Olympia Coalition for a Fair Budget, Olympia, WA
People’s Organization for Progress, Newark, NJ
Peoples Video Network
p.o.n.d. records
Progressive Democrats of America, Ohio
Progressive Faculty Network of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Progressive Student Alliance – University of Florida
Progressive Student Alliance, University of Memphis
Public Higher Education Network of Massachusetts (PHENOM)
Purchase Polis, SUNY Purchase
PUSH: Ideas into Action, SUNY Purchase
Queens College Antiwar Coalition
Queer People Of Color Action
Radical Student Union, Bard College
Rebel Diaz Arts Collective, Bronx, NY
Recreate ‘68 Alliance
Rhode Island Unemployed Council
The Silent Radio DJs
Small Schools Workshop, Chicago
Social Justice Alliance, SUNY Stony Brook
Socialism Now!, Chicago
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Organizer
Socialist Party of Connecticut
Socialist Party USA
Solidarity
S.O.S. Save Our Schools Coalition, Providence, RI
SpeakOut – the Institute for Democratic Education & Culture, Oakland, CA
Straight and Gay Alliance (SAGA), City College of New York
Student Representative Body of the University of Marburg, Germany
Students Promoting Engagement Through Activism and Knowledge (SPEAK), Georgia State University
Student / Farmworker Alliance
Students for a Democratic Society
Students for a Democratic Society, Animas, Durango, Coloardo
Students for a Democratic Society, Chicago
Students for a Democratic Society, College Park, University of Maryland
Students for a Democratic Society, Diablo Valley College, Pleasant Hill, California
Students for a Democratic Society, Gainesville Area
Students for a Democratic Society, Milwaukee
Students for a Democratic Society / Movement for a Democratic Society, Michigan State University
Students for a Democratic Society, Oklahoma
Students for a Democratic Society, Rochester
Students for a Democratic Society, TFHS
Students for a Democratic Society, UNC-Asheville
Students for a Democratic Society, UNC-Chapel Hill
Students for a Democratic Society, University of Houston
Students for a Democratic Society, University of Minnesota
Students for a Democratic Society, University of Tuscaloosa
Students for a Democratic Society, West Chester, Pennsylvania
Students for Educational Rights, City College of New York
Students for Quality Education, Cal Poly Pomona Chapter
Students Taking Action to Reclaim our Education, University of Maryland
SUNY Downstate College of Health Related Professions Council
Take Back NYU!, New York City
Take Back WBAI, New York City
Teachers for a Just Contract, New York City
Teachers Unity Forum, Kerala, India
UCSD Coalition for Educational Justice
United In Campaign Against Budget Cuts, University of Illinois-Chicago
United Socialists of Pittsburgh State
United Students Against Sweatshops
University of Massachusetts-Lowell Coalition for Social Reform
University of Washington Student Worker Coalition, Seattle
UT Austin Stop the Cuts Coalition
UTLA / Project Great Futures / CAMS
UW-Milwaukee Education Rights Campaign
Workers Action
Workers World Party
Young Democratic Socialists, William Paterson University, Wayne, NJ


Endorsed by:

October 24 Statewide Mobilizing Conference to Save Public Education
California Labor Federation
California Faculty Association
California Federation of Teachers
United Teachers of Los Angeles
United Educators of San Francisco
AFSCME Local 444


http://www.defendeducation.org /
http://defendcapubliceducation.wordpress.com /
http://www.facebook.com/e...eid=184333923808&ref=...
http://bigeducationape.bl...t.com/2010/02/momentum-is...

That was easy to find groups that support the US left and most likely specifically O.

[jukin]

I favor fascist because, well, that is what he is. Private control of industry under government control.

Sadly with this fascist we do not even get the trains to run on time.

[Chris]

When the government is the only sector in the country that is growing at the expense of the others, what else do you call it?

[ReaganForRushmore]

Currently, I 'd say a Stalinist because the Anointed One is using the same tactics that Comrade Joe used.
"It's not who votes, it is who counts the votes!" was Comrade Joe's method of control. The way he uses
power in light of total repudiation of HCR by 58% of the American population is chilling and a major
wake up call to those that cherish Freedom and Liberty.

Will the Anointed One have 51 votes for reconciliation? Inquiring minds want to know?

[GOBUCKS]

Really stupid OP. Democrat Underground is a socialist website. Most of the American MSM is socialist.

[delilahmused]

ALL DEMOCRATS ARE SOCIALISTS! How hard was that? Dumb...really! Just stupid! Lately they seem to be going through what few brain cells they have left at breakneck speed.

Cindie

[DefiantSix]

All Dim'Rats are Socialist.  Some - like DUmbasses - are traitorously Socialist and should be hung from street lamps with piano wire.  But yes, ALL Dim'Rats are Socialist.

Nothing difficult about saying that at all.

[TheSarge]

piratefish08  Donating Member  (683 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-21-10 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. I'd be happy if the majority of them could even SPELL 'socialism'.......

D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T


Happy now?

[Karin]

Of course Democrat Underground is a socialist website...often turning into a communist website.  Look at the discussion when the topic is tax policy, as seen here last week.  Also, when they out and out call for roundup of dissenters like us to be thrown into the Gitmo Gulag. 

patrice  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-21-10 02:35 PM
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11. Make them say that Individual values ALWAYS trump Group values.

You don't have to make me do anything.  I'll go ahead and say it.  Individual liberty is what this country was founded on.  Let's say you and I, Patrice, are both from New York state.  We are a group of New Yorkers.  Do I have any right to tell you what to value?  Of course not, and you have no right to tell me.  I go my way, and you can go to your filthy commune.