climate agreement on CNN.

[bkg]

reduce temp by 2C in 10 years?

ARE YOU FAWKING KIDDING ME?

Fawking stupid people.

[RightCoast]

Reduce temp by 2c by spending 2,000,000,000 of our money.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Still has to pass the senate...and it won't.

[miskie]

If the average temp drops by 2C in 10 years, it has nothing to do with us, that's for sure. We can't effect that much change in so little time.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

hotair.com is saying it's non-binding.

It’s too bad that He Is Who Is will take the brunt of international criticism for the conference’s failure instead of the Chinese, but messianism is a double-edged sword, isn’t it? The world’s leftists were counting on him to blow through global gridlock with a concentrated burst of pure, sweet Hopenchange charisma, which was always moronic and impossible but comforting insofar as it offered an easy solution to an intractable problem. Now, a year later, they’ve got a “feeble climate deal” to show for it and the claws are out. It’d all be horribly unfair to The One if not for the minor fact that he pushed his savior crap to the hilt during the campaign, from his One World speech in Berlin to his infamous promise at the convention that people would look back one day and say “this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” Watch below and see what “the moment” has come to. The fact that Obama crashing a meeting is the big dramatic takeaway from the conference is all you need to know about how “meaningful” it was.

[youtube=425,350]xa4ShMH13FM[/youtube]

Dopenhagen

[bkg]

I know it's non-binding. doesn't matter. it gives it credibility.

[thundley4]

The agreement may be non-binding, but don't forget the recent ruling by the EPA. If congress is unwilling to sign on to this or at least pass similar measures having the same effect, then the EPA can pass regulations virtually shutting down companies that produce CO2.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The agreement may be non-binding, but don't forget the recent ruling by the EPA. If congress is unwilling to sign on to this or at least pass similar measures having the same effect, then the EPA can pass regulations virtually shutting down companies that produce CO2.

Congress could always A) strip those powers from the EPA (unlikely...this year) or B) refuse to fund the enforcement

As we're in a recession, cap and trade would be electoral suicide and Kyoto failed miserably B) may be an option. It is where pressure must be brought to bear.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The climate deal reached between U.S, China and other great powers on Friday night is so vague, hastily hatched and non-binding President Obama isn’t even sure he’ll be required to sign it.

“You know, it raises an interesting question as to whether technically there’s actually a signature… It’s not a legally binding agreement, I don’t know what the protocols are,” said a bleary-eyed Obama, before hopping in Air Force One for the trip back to Washington.

Even as he left, it wasn’t clear that the pact Obama described as “meaningful” would even pass muster with the European Union – or attract enough votes with the 193-nation COP 15 conference to become an official declaration.

“It’s a catastrophe,” said Dan Joergensen, a member of the European delegation. “We’re so far away from the criteria that was set up in order to call it a success, and those weren’t really that ambitious to start with.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30794.html

   The nice thing about empty-suits: they keep you in stitches

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

U.N. climate talks fell into crisis on Saturday after some developing nations angrily rejected a plan worked out by U.S. President Barack Obama and leaders of other major economies for fighting global warming.

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Countries including Venezuela, Sudan and Tuvalu said they opposed a deal spearheaded on Friday in Copenhagen by the United States, China, India, South Africa and Brazil at the summit. The deal would need unanimous backing to be adopted.

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An acrimonious session long past midnight hit a low point when a Sudanese delegate said the plan in Africa would be like the Holocaust by causing more deadly floods, droughts, mudslides, sandstorms and rising seas.

The document “is a solution based on the same very values, in our opinion, that channelled six million people in Europe into furnaces,” said Sudan’s Lumumba Stanislaus Di-aping.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6606405/usled-climate-deal-under-threat-in-copenhagen/

Get that? The perpetrators of the Darfur slaughter and slave trade are complaining about genocide...from non-existent fraudulent science because the billions of dollars in money from western nations aren't high enough for their thieving selves.

[bkg]

won't make the MSM.

Obama succeeded - that's all you'll hear.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

won't make the MSM.

Obama succeeded - that's all you'll hear.

Obama is at -19.

ACORN going down

Healthcare deform is floundering

Illegal amnesty is toxic

People want A-stan handled but dont like Obama's handling


The MSM is a joke. It's for people too lazy to properly inform themselves. They accept whatever is fed to them and those people are growing increasingly irrelevant because--well--they are only electoral flotsam. WE are setting the tides.


EDIT - Wapo (ryhmes with crappo)/ABC poll shows Obama LOSING 16 points on his global warming huxsterism for a -32 overall. And this is AFTER the suvey is skewed to his benefit:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/18/AR2009121800002.html?hpid=topnews

This is not to say we grow lax. On the contrary an enemy thrown into retreat is the best time to counter-attack.

Too bad we don't have an organized political party to do that.

[bkg]

Obama is at -19.

ACORN going down

Healthcare deform is floundering

Illegal amnesty is toxic

I think you're wrong on all of the above... Sorry. I want to stand next to you in agreement, but I'm very cynical right now.

[Doc]

This is more distortion, and largely a "tempest in a teapot"........Kyoto actually ended with a signable treaty, which Clinton signed and the Senate unanimously rejected (99 to zip, if I recall)........Copenhagen has resulted in nothing but an "agreement in principle" between several major powers, which the third world is rejecting, because it does not provide them with a large enough payoff.......and it is therefore not "unanimous" which is required for a signable document.  In short, the thread title is incorrect, "Copenhagen ends in FAILURE" would be more accurate, but this is.....CNN......

Even if that were to occur, post summit.......two-thirds of the Senate (66 votes, not 60) are required for ratification, and that simply is NEVER going to happen........


doc

[bkg]

Even if that were to occur, post summit.......two-thirds of the Senate (66 votes, not 60) are required for ratification, and that simply is NEVER going to happen........

Never say never...

Never ever say "never in America."

[Chris_]

Never say never...

Never ever say "never in America."

On this one I'll go that far.......if brought to a Senate vote tomorrow, I doubt that it would get a simple majority......

doc

[Freeper]

Shillary promised them 100 Billion a year that's right 100 Billion with a capital B every year. Where in the **** does she think this money will come from? I am so disgusted at our leaders this is not teh America I signed up to defend almost 20 years ago. 

[Chris_]

Shillary promised them 100 Billion a year that's right 100 Billion with a capital B every year. Where in the **** does she think this money will come from? I am so disgusted at our leaders this is not teh America I signed up to defend almost 20 years ago. 

Just rhetoric.....no treaty, no money, and there is no treaty to sign, not even an extension of the old Kyoto Accord.......they got nothing......

doc

[Freeper]

Just rhetoric.....no treaty, no money, and there is no treaty to sign, not even an extension of the old Kyoto Accord.......they got nothing......

doc

Hopefully you are right and we dont fork over the dough but, I aint counting on it.

[Baruch Menachem]

Has to be appropriated.   During an election year.  In which Global Warming is being seen as a scam by more and more folks.

They better not spend any of that money yet.

[Chris_]

Hopefully you are right and we dont fork over the dough but, I aint counting on it.

If you read the text of Hillary's speech, she didn't actually commit to providing American taxpayer dollars........she stated that the funds should come from a mixture of private and "government" sources, and the amount she was discussing was only $10B, I assume she was passing the bulk of the load to the EU, China, and the oil states. 

Her speech was one of the elements that put the "third world" attendees into full revolt, as they were expecting commitments for much more.......and in the end, they didn't receive a "committment" for anything at all, in writing.

The media reporting on this conference has been so poor, biased, and out of context that you really have to dig a bit to find out what actually happened, you can't rely on media reports.

doc