oberliner (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-03-09 07:29 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x295077
Ukraine academic: Israel imported 25,000 kids for their organs
Stories appearing on several Ukrainian Web sites claim Israel has brought around some 25,000 Ukrainian children into the country over the past two years in order to harvest their organs.
The claim, which was made by a Ukrainian philosophy professor and author at a pseudo-academic conference in Kiev five days ago, is the latest expression of a wave of anti-Semitism in the country. It comes a few months after a Swedish tabloid ran an article alleging that Israel Defense Forces soldiers have killed Palestinian civilians for their organs.
Jews, Israel and anti-Semitism have become a major motif of the presidential election campaign in Ukraine, with some figures making anti-Semitic statements and others condemning them. Some candidates, including a Jew and someone whose rivals claim is Jewish, blame a third rival - Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko - for bringing anti-Semitism into the race.
"Ukraine's political system is a parody of democracy," Russia's Chief Rabbi, Berel Lazar, said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1132425.html
that one has been around since Rome occupied the nation of Israel.
dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-03-09 08:07 AM
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3. "parody of democracy"
Many democracies which suit the USA are infact so.
Only three posts to get to AmeriKKKa sucks!
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-03-09 09:30 AM
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6. WHAT IS THIS DOING ON THIS FORUM??? Oberliner, why on earth would you post this HERE?
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 09:33 AM by ProgressiveMuslim
Are you suggesting that eastern European anti-semitism is rooted in the I/P conflict?
History certainly shows otherwise.
Progressive Muslim? How does that work? Do you cut off your own head?
oberliner (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-03-09 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Anti-semitism?
Can you explain what makes these claims and comments anti-semitic as opposed to simply anti-Israel or anti-Zionist? None of the cited comments in the article mention Jews.
Do you think the allegation that Israel Defense Forces soldiers have killed Palestinian civilians for their organs is anti-semitic?
I'm not anti-semitic. I just hate JOOOOOOOOOOS!
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-03-09 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I think it's completely inappropriate!
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 11:52 AM by ProgressiveMuslim
And I am upset because the unspoken assumption is that every act of anti-semitism is connected to Palestinians. In the case of Eastern Europe this is absurd. They have their own horrible history of hating Jews that has nothing to do with I/P.
This really doesn't belong here at all.
I understand why it's upsetting, and why people want to discuss it. I seriously suggest the creation of an anti-semitism forum for those who wish to do so.
Let me see...you hate JOOOOOOOS!, but you don't want other people hating JOOOOOOOS! on your forum?
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-07-09 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #46
82. I have heard accusations that the Shin Bet has stolen organs from the bodies of dead Palestinians.
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 08:32 PM by ProgressiveMuslim
It was commonly thought among Palestinians that one of the reasons the IDF would steal bodies from hospitals and return them cut open and sewn shut (people who died of gunshot wounds have to have "autopsies") was to take organs.
Would you categorically deny this?
I have no belief whatsoever that 25,000 kids were brought into Israel to be used as spare parts. There is no abuse of Palestinians that I put past the Shin Bet, however.
ah.......what?
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-08-09 08:02 AM
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112. Cut up corpses.
Palestinians tend to bury them immediately though, because like Jews, Muslims need to get bodies buried ASAP. Palestinians often resorted to taking bodies from hospitals before the Shin Bet could get them. That much I know for fact.
What is your point again?
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-07-09 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #25
72. Pelsar my point is that Eastern Europeans hated Jews long before the first Zionist set foot in
Palestine. Palestinians are required for Europeans to hate Jews. They have their own special history of such behavior.
what?
cali (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-08-09 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #92
110. this is a fundamentallty flawed concept in so many ways
What precisely should the "Zionist leadership" have done in the 40s? What part of the 40s are you even referring to.
And suggesting that you do that anti-semitism today is because of the existence of Israel is simply absurd in the face of history.
The irony being of course, the left claims Islamic terrorism is because the US is involved in the mid-east...
Shadrach (55 posts) Fri Dec-04-09 07:36 AM
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33. Sure, I know many Ukranian Jews and Jews in the former Soviet Union...
...who moved this way 15 to 20 years ago because of discrimination. But the word is that it is getting worse.
Hmm...so do I.
There is a whole bunch on water, the UN and other crap...but I've boiled down the intresting stuff for you.
