Obama Birth Certificate Thread

[NHSparky]

TRG--to be fair, I also use the term "birther".

[Schadenfreude]

This has been said so many times, I think it merits a repeat.  There are so many reasons to go after Obama, one being the total disregard of the COTUS. However, his refusal to comply with a basic request speaks to his pomposity, arrogance and a basic feeling that he is above the law.

[NHSparky]

This has been said so many times, I think it merits a repeat.  There are so many reasons to go after Obama, one being the total disregard of the COTUS. However, his refusal to comply with a basic request speaks to his pomposity, arrogance and a basic feeling that he is above the law.

Schade, the people who vet the documents apparently didn't feel there was enough of an issue.

To my mind, this whole grasping at the "is he or isn't he a citizen" meme is a conservative version of Florida 2000, IOW, not a useful discussion.

[Schadenfreude]

Schade, the people who vet the documents apparently didn't feel there was enough of an issue.

To my mind, this whole grasping at the "is he or isn't he a citizen" meme is a conservative version of Florida 2000, IOW, not a useful discussion.

I agree it's not useful, just reiterating how disingenuous it is to claim honesty and transparency and then refuse to produce a document that most of use can produce quite handily. Of course we knew that already.

[Golem]

Why do you come here and use terms for Republican/Conservatives that are found being spoken by idiots in the MSM and on the Liberal Blogs?

Several conservative commentators us the term "birther." Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt come to mind.

Also, I've seen some people on conservative boards proudly call themselves birthers.

[TheSarge]

Several conservative commentators us the term "birther." Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt come to mind.

Doesn't matter.  Most people hear that and think Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman.

Also, I've seen some people on conservative boards proudly call themselves birthers.

Must be small little boards cause I've never seen a Conservative call themselves that.

[Chris_]

I agree it's not useful, just reiterating how disingenuous it is to claim honesty and transparency and then refuse to produce a document that most of use can produce quite handily. Of course we knew that already.

I sorta look at it from a broader perspective.....not only have the circumstances of his birth come into question, correctly or not, but his academic background as well as other historical aspects of his life appear to be strangely either missing, or deliberately suppressed.......whether that makes me a "birther" or not, I think there are too many inconsistencies in his background that were not vetted by the media during his candidacy, for there not to be something problematic there.......

But when it comes to neomarxists, I tend to be a bit paranoid.......

doc

[Rebel]

I wish someone could convince the birthers and their followers of that.

Of what? Depending on her age, she may not have been old enough to pass on citizenship to her child.

BTW, why does his short-form birth certificate state his dad's race as "African"? Is he of the same race as Ernie Els?

All of this is easily cleared up. He should release ALL of his records. What's he hiding?

[Schadenfreude]

I sorta look at it from a broader perspective.....not only have the circumstances of his birth come into question, correctly or not, but his academic background as well as other historical aspects of his life appear to be strangely either missing, or deliberately suppressed.......whether that makes me a "birther" or not, I think there are too many inconsistencies in his background that were not vetted by the media during his candidacy, for there not to be something problematic there.......

But when it comes to neomarxists, I tend to be a bit paranoid.......

doc

I never considered myself a tinfoiler until this presidency, even Clinton didn't raise as many red flags for me. I agree wholly with what you have said. I guess I don't care if the media didn't vet him.... but for God's sake with all the bureaucrats at every level of government, why is it that nobody validated his credentials? Or did one person? Who was that person? Admittedly, I haven't really kept up with all the details of this saga, but why so many lawsuits out there claiming that he was put on the ballot without his US citizenship established?

[docstew]

I never considered myself a tinfoiler until this presidency, even Clinton didn't raise as many red flags for me. I agree wholly with what you have said. I guess I don't care if the media didn't vet him.... but for God's sake with all the bureaucrats at every level of government, why is it that nobody validated his credentials? Or did one person? Who was that person? Admittedly, I haven't really kept up with all the details of this saga, but why so many lawsuits out there claiming that he was put on the ballot without his US citizenship established?

Whoever that person was, they probably ended up somewhere in Rock Creek Park approaching ambient temperature.

[Reeanna]

The left has successfully quieted people who are concerned about President Obama's background by calling them "birthers", racists, etc.  And sadly many of the conservatives have joined them because who wants to be considered crazy or racist? If President Obama doesn't have something to hide, why has he spent so much money to keep his records from the public.  It is not just his birth certificate, it's many records that should have been made public and were made public by past presidents.

From the day he was sworn in, I knew that it didn't matter whether he was a legal resident or not and that he would at least serve one term. But I also knew that all the things about his background that were consciously ignored by the media would and should make a difference for future elections and for history.

President Obama is a total fraud.  As long as we allow his background to be kept in the shadows, he will be allowed to keep up his false image.

[NHSparky]

Sorry, Reeanna.  The reason I don't buy into the whole birther bit is because of several reasons:

--Don't you think Hillary would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Don't you think SOMEONE in government would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Wouldn't the rule in the house that ONE Senator and ONE Rep could challenge have been invoked, unless it weren't?

Okay, to those who say, "Well then, why doesn't he just show us and clear it all up?"  Don't you think that maybe that's EXACTLY what his handlers want, in order to distract from the larger issue of his agenda?  By playing up the "birther" issue, Obama actually GAINS political capital which he can use to further his plans.  By obscuring the BC issue, he can, in some circles, gain sypathetic ears; "Oh those mean conservatives are picking on me again!"

[Golem]

I changed the title and the scope of the thread.

I've decided to make this an open thread for my birther articles. Others are welcome to use this thread too, of course, but they don't have to.

The reason I did this is because the arguments from both sides tend to be repeated from thread to thread. With one thread, this might be somewhat lessened.

[Golem]

Rush Limbaugh Fumbles Obama’s Birth Certificate

This guy, Dr. James David Manning, is upset because Rush never heard of Phillip Berg or Larry Sinclair. Good on Rush. I wish I'd never heard of them either.

Video here: http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=1082

[Schadenfreude]

Sorry, Reeanna.  The reason I don't buy into the whole birther bit is because of several reasons:

--Don't you think Hillary would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Don't you think SOMEONE in government would have made it an issue, unless it weren't?
--Wouldn't the rule in the house that ONE Senator and ONE Rep could challenge have been invoked, unless it weren't?

Okay, to those who say, "Well then, why doesn't he just show us and clear it all up?"  Don't you think that maybe that's EXACTLY what his handlers want, in order to distract from the larger issue of his agenda?  By playing up the "birther" issue, Obama actually GAINS political capital which he can use to further his plans.  By obscuring the BC issue, he can, in some circles, gain sypathetic ears; "Oh those mean conservatives are picking on me again!"

With all the red tape at all levels of government, you know there must be a verification process for presidents and other elected officials. Presumably this is the Secretary of State's job to validate the ballot.....Tell me why several lawsuits are alleging that the Secy of States of various states did not verify his citizenship. I don't care about the birth certificate (I wouldn't be able to tell if it was a forgery anyway), I want to know that the process is being followed. The fact that no one will swear to his qualifications is as unbelievable as nobody having vetted him. Why doesn't a judge just make the statement that he has reviewed all the documentation and BHO is a US Citizen? This shouldn't be so difficult and yes it is distracting, not sure why BHO is pulling all the strings here.

No, I am not a birther, just have an opinion on playing stupid games. 

[bkg]

Are you suggesting that Mr. Ritchie didn't do his job in MN? He did such a great job on the Coleman/Franken campaign. 

[Reeanna]

I can't agree.  First of all, I said that he was hiding something.  There are many documents besides his birth certificate that have not been released. It's not just the birth certificate. Secondly, everyone and I mean everyone was so afraid of being called a racist that almost everything this man has done has been overlooked.  President Obama's association with Reverend Wright should have sunk his campaign, but it was brushed aside.  His association with Bill Ayers who wrote his books was ignored.  The way he won his first political campaign.  His lack of any serious political experience.  Facts that would have sunk any other campaign were and still are being overlooked.  This president was not properly vetted.

[Schadenfreude]

Are you suggesting that Mr. Ritchie didn't do his job in MN? He did such a great job on the Coleman/Franken campaign. 

 

[Schadenfreude]

I can't agree.  First of all, I said that he was hiding something.  There are many documents besides his birth certificate that have not been released. It's not just the birth certificate. Secondly, everyone and I mean everyone was so afraid of being called a racist that almost everything this man has done has been overlooked.  President Obama's association with Reverend Wright should have sunk his campaign, but it was brushed aside.  His association with Bill Ayers who wrote his books was ignored.  The way he won his first political campaign.  His lack of any serious political experience.  Facts that would have sunk any other campaign were and still are being overlooked.  This president was not properly vetted.

I agree and not a single republican including our own presidential candidate wanted to risk their career to challenge any of these associations. Palin was the only one who came close to calling him out for palling around with terrorists and look at the lack of support she got from her own party.

[littlelamb]

The only thing that has bothered me is where is the transparency he promised during his campaign. I really don't care where he was born only a few know the truth and they will have to live with it but I can't stand his smug attitude.