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Oh my, the surprises one comes across when randomly wandering around Skins's island.

The cross-bearing carpetbagging maternal ancestress, the mother of the Bostonian Drunkard:

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 05:53 PM
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My father was asked by JFK to "warm" his Senate seat until Ted could run. My Dad and Jack Kennedy were longtime friends and he was Jack's personal attorney (probated the will, formed the Kennedy Library, represented Ted in connection with Chappy). In those days the Gov. appointed the seat warmer and JFK did not like Foster Furcolo and didn't trust that the person who he might appoint would move over for Teddy. My Dad turned him down. Told him that he was afraid he might get to like the job. The Gov. appointed Benjamin Smith who warmed the seat and was never heard of again.

How sad and ironic that things seem to have come full circle.

Just a little bit of history that came rushing back to my memory today. BTW, I took the call from JFK when he called my Dad at home to ask him. It was the thrill of my life! He identified himself to me as "President elect Kennedy." I gasped and he chuckled.

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 05:56 PM
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2. Those were exciting times for a teenager. I haven't thought about that episode in years. Teddy request today brought it all back.

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 06:00 PM
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6. No and I'll tell you why: we had family meetings about it and he was very tempted but my younger brother burst into tears at being uprooted to DC. My folks had been in a very serious plane crash and the thought of communing between DC and Massachusetts just was too much for everybody. My Dad had a lot of contact with Kennedy while he was in the White House so I think that satisfied his appetite for politics.

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 06:15 PM
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13. Yeah, but I'm not sure that the sounds that I emitted would qualify as "talk". I was completely tongue tied. I told him that my Dad would call him back. I did get the number. JFK was on the Cape. My Dad was taking a walk. I told my mother about the call and we jumped in the car and went to find my Dad. When we got home, my Dad went upstairs to their bedroom (I can still see this) to use the phone in privacy and...you won't believe this...my mother and I got on the extension downstairs and listened. I can remember much about the conversation other than the POTUS swore like a sailor (which, of course, he was)!

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 06:18 PM
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15. I was in the basement ironing. I let the phone ring because I thought it was my boyfriend and you NEVER picked up the phone on the first or second ring...Good God!How mundane!

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-21-09 03:43 PM
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28. He was a lawyer in Boston. When he was a young lawyer Joe Kennedy took a shine to him and wanted him to go to work for him. My Dad declined but did get to know Jack after Jack got back from the war. Jack was a tall skinny young man recovering from jaundice when my Dad first met him. He was getting ready to run for Congress. Family legend has it that when my Dad got home from a meeting with Jack on this, he said to my mother "This kid has about as much chance of getting elected as the baby upstairs (my little brother)". Was he ever wrong!

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Raven  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-21-09 04:02 PM
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29. Well, that's a whole other story...my parents had been invited to a WH dinner for the German Chancellor which was to be held on the Monday after JFK died. I was at school and my mother had gone into Boston to pick up her dress. When I got home the dress was in a lump on the kitchen floor and she was crying at the kitchen table. My Father was on a Presidential fact finding tour of the US missile bases in the midwest (I think it was the midwest.) They were about to take an elevator down into one of the missile silos when they were suddenly evacuated out and escourted back to their airplane. They sat on the plane for quite a while and he said he watched jet after jet take off, presumably to intercept foreign missiles. He said he stood in the cockpit on the way back listening to the redio transmissions about the assassination.

All very surreal now as I think back on it.

Yeah.  Uh huh.
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 09:38:30 PM »
"I coulda been a contenda!" :sad1:
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 10:29:34 PM »
Wow. A legendary bouncy by DUmmy Raven. She starts as a budding senator's daughter, intimately intertwined with the sleazy Kennedys, the world her oyster, waiting to be shucked. She ends up with her only accomplishment being to whelp an unemployable, alcoholic, suspected child molester. Way to go, DUmmy Raven! She had everything in this story except a verbatim account of how she explained it all to Ty the bouncer, as she lay on the floor at Bukowski's Bar.

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elehhhhna  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 06:12 PM
11. HI!!! My great uncle helped throw that election
 -- the Cook Cty Bd of Elections -- for your Dad's buddy!!!
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 10:32:42 PM »
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elehhhhna  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-20-09 06:12 PM
11. HI!!! My great uncle helped throw that election
 -- the Cook Cty Bd of Elections -- for your Dad's buddy!!!
...the world will be strange without an elder Kennedy in Washington.
I would argue that the world would be a better place, but at this point its like putting one of those pink urinal cakes in an outhouse.
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2009, 04:47:22 AM »
I would argue that the world would be a better place, but at this point its like putting one of those pink urinal cakes in an outhouse.

Never tried that at deer camp.  Gonna hafta suggest it this year (after we reconstruct the road going in).  Ought to produce a chuckle or two.
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 06:12:07 AM »
"You coulda been a Kennedy"....if your momma hadn't been such a good woman.

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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 04:25:11 PM »
Wow. A legendary bouncy by DUmmy Raven.

I think it's a stretchy.

This reminds me of 1987 in Nebraska, when the Democrat U.S. Senator Edward ("Eddie the Zero") Zorinsky unexpectedly died, and then-Governor Kay Orr, Republican governor of Nebraska had to fill the seat. 

There were hundreds of names tossed around, by the press, by prominent and not-so-prominent Republicans, and other pundits and politicos.  Hundreds of names.

The same probably happened in corrupt machine-operated Massachusetts in late 1960, hundreds of names tossed about in the air, to see which one would stick.

It wouldn't surprise me if the late Hanify, Esq., had been on a "C" list.

The late Hanify, Esq., allegedly being a Republican though, would've been pretty low on that "C" list, not to mention not being on the "B" list or the "A" list at all.

About a year and a half ago, my curiosity picqued, I went to the local library to check the indexes of books about the Kennedys to see if the late Hanify, Esq. had been mentioned in any of them.  There were 173 books about the Kennedys, pro and con, on the library shelves; no "Hanify" mentioned in any of them.

Of course, this is a small-town library, and could not possibly have all of the books published about the Kennedys, and a glaring omission was the absence of any books that dealt, specifically, with Chappaquidick, and so perhaps the late Hanify, Esq. is mentioned in others.

If the "relationship," which perhaps existed, was as close as the carpetbagging maternal ancestress implies, one thinks there would have been some mention, even slight, of the late Hanify, Esq., given that some of these books are pretty big books, hundreds of pages, small print, and footnoted.

I suspect the carpetbagging maternal ancestress is stretching.

What got my goat was the carpetbagging maternal ancestress denigrating Benjamin Smith, the one who was ultimately appointed to the seat, as if he was a nonentity long ago forgotten.

Well, one supposes Benjamin Smith was a nonentity, certainly now, 50 years after the event, and long ago forgotten, but one also suspects Benjamin Smith was more than what the carpetbagging maternal ancestress makes him out to be.  He was after all a college classmate of John Kennedy, an at-the-time prominent attorney (at least in Massachusetts), and I have no doubt he flourished and prospered, although in some obscurity.

And of course Benjamin Smith has the happy fate of not being an ancestor of that most worthless piece of excresence on Skins's island, the greasy squalid flaccid flabby Bostonian Drunkard.
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Re: carpetbagging maternal ancestress could've been senator's daughter
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 05:22:13 PM »
Epic Stretchy. It rivals a salt water taffy pulling contest.
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