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Town halls gone wild
« on: July 31, 2009, 08:48:26 AM »
Town halls gone wild

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Screaming constituents, protesters dragged out by the cops, congressmen fearful for their safety — welcome to the new town-hall-style meeting, the once-staid forum that is rapidly turning into a house of horrors for members of Congress.
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The targets in most cases are House Democrats, who over the past few months have tackled controversial legislation including a $787 billion economic stimulus package, a landmark energy proposal and an overhaul of the nation’s health care system.
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On the eve of the August recess, members are reporting meetings that have gone terribly awry, marked by angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior. In at least one case, a congressman has stopped holding town hall events because the situation has spiraled so far out of control.
“I had felt they would be pointless,” Rep. Tim Bishop (D-N.Y.) told POLITICO, referring to his recent decision to suspend the events in his Long Island district. “There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you if what is basically an unruly mob prevents you from having an intelligent conversation.”

In Bishop’s case, his decision came on the heels of a June 22 event he held in Setauket, N.Y., in which protesters dominated the meeting by shouting criticisms at the congressman for his positions on energy policy, health care and the bailout of the auto industry.

Within an hour of the disruption, police were called in to escort the 59-year-old Democrat — who has held more than 100 town hall meetings since he was elected in 2002 — to his car safely.
“I have no problem with someone disagreeing with positions I hold,” Bishop said, noting that, for the time being, he was using other platforms to communicate with his constituents. “But I also believe no one is served if you can’t talk through differences.”

Bishop isn’t the only one confronted by boiling anger and rising incivility. At a health care town hall event in Syracuse, N.Y., earlier this month, police were called in to restore order, and at least one heckler was taken away by local police. Close to 100 sign-carrying protesters greeted Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) at a late June community college small-business development forum in Panama City, Fla.

Last week, Danville, Va., anti-tax tea party activists claimed they were “refused an opportunity” to ask Rep. Thomas Perriello (D-Va.) a question at a town hall event and instructed by a plainclothes police officer to leave the property after they attempted to hold up protest signs.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090731/pl_politico/25646/print

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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 09:01:36 AM »
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“I have no problem with someone disagreeing with positions I hold,”

This is the problem with politicians.  They never remember they are there to represent US and OUR views, not push their own agenda.

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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 10:08:09 AM »
“I had felt they would be pointless because I don't care what they think” Rep. Tim Bishop (D-N.Y.) told POLITICO, referring to his recent decision to suspend the events in his Long Island district. “There is no point in meeting with my constituents because, like I said, my mind is made upand [to] listen to them and have them listen to you if what is basically an unruly mob acting like a bunch of democrats prevents you from having an unintelligent conversation.”

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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2009, 11:43:47 AM »
This is the problem with politicians.  They never remember they are there to represent US and OUR views, not push their own agenda.

Steel on target.  It must be something that's in the air inside the Beltway if you're a civil servant or elected official.
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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 01:27:34 PM »
Steel on target.  It must be something that's in the air inside the Beltway if you're a civil servant or elected official.

Toxic levels of lobbyist farts, is my guess.
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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 01:54:52 PM »
The Seem to think that these protesters are mostly primitives wanting free 0Bamacare.

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 02:17:38 PM »
Interestingly, congressman Ike Skelton (Blue-dog democrat = northern Missouri) has advised his district that he will hold no public appearances during the recess, and he will not entertain appointments with his constituents........

He is a long-term member from this somewhat conservative rural district, and will most certainly be facing a formidable republican opponent next year.....

They are frightened.....very frightened.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 03:21:56 PM »
They seem genuinely confused that people are reacting this way and not thanking them for what the Congress Critters are doing for them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 04:05:17 PM »
I read this story earlier(and was intending to post it when life got in the way :thatsright: :-)) and I had a different take on it. What I noticed is the way in which it was written. Since the protestors were often portrayed as 'tea party' types, it seemed to me there was quite a bit of inflammatory language as compared with the 'peaceful' bottle throwing pos that inhabited protests when Bush was in office. Now protestors are 'angry mobs' and there is 'rising incivility' and 'disruptive behavior'. Apparently to the press, disagreeing with a congressman vehemently and using your first amendment rights is uncivil, disruptive, and 'angry'. When bottles are thrown, drugs smoked, and disobedience to the orders of police officers trying to keep traffic in order and streets cleared, it is 1st amendment rights in action. The media is disgusting anymore.

Of note also is the sheer arrogance displayed by democrats, mirrored by DU(think of the 'hah cracker the minorities are taking over' post from earlier at DU today). Some particularly arrogant quotes steaming with liberal snobbery:

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“There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you if what is basically an unruly mob prevents you from having an intelligent conversation.”

'Intelligent' conversation is thwarted if you disagree with me and if I am so deliberately smug and obtuse that I frustrate you to the point of having to ask a question over and over again.

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“I have no problem with someone disagreeing with positions I hold,” Bishop said, noting that, for the time being, he was using other platforms to communicate with his constituents. “But I also believe no one is served if you can’t talk through differences.”

You, the constituency, elected *ME* for *MY* opinions. If you don't like them along the way, tough shit. My idea of talking through differences, is you will put yours aside in favor of mine, after all that's what the republicans did for 8 years before this under the fallacy of 'bipartisanship'.

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Close to 100 sign-carrying protesters greeted Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) at a late June community college small-business development forum in Panama City, Fla. Last week, Danville, Va., anti-tax tea party activists claimed they were “refused an opportunity” to ask Rep. Thomas Perriello (D-Va.) a question at a town hall event and instructed by a plainclothes police officer to leave the property after they attempted to hold up protest signs.

Protestors are NOW a threat when they are conservative apparently. Again, it was free speech back when a bunch of disgusting leftists 'protested'.

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“I think it’s just the fact that we are dealing with some of the most important public policy issues in a generation,” said Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa), who was confronted by a protester angry about his position on health care reform at a town hall event several weeks ago.

No, you smug pos, it's that people disagree with your 'public policy issues', not that you are 'addressing' them. I'm sure some, like me, see that YOU and your ilk caused a lot of the problems with mandated coverage and such that lead to inflated health costs and here you ride in to want to solve the problem you created with another problem that hasn't worked effectively anywhere else. But Dems love to convince them that they are doing 'hard things' for the American public's good. What a bunch of communist pos they are.

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“I think in general what is going on is we are tackling issues that have been ignored for a long time, and I think that is disruptive to a lot of people,” said Bishop, a four-term congressman. “We are trying, one by one, to deal with a set of issues that can’t be ignored, and I think that’s unsettling to a lot of people.”

No wonder this smug elitist pile of steaming do had to be escorted out by police. What an elitist little commie he is isn't he? Basically, you don't know what's good for you little people, but I do and I'm going to make it all better even though you are having growing pains. Jesus H. these people don't grasp they work for US...they think they are our parents. I don't know the last time the KIDS chose the PARENTS if that's the case.  :whatever:

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Freshman Rep. Dan Maffei (D-N.Y.), whose event at a Syracuse middle school was disrupted, said that he still planned to hold additional town halls but that he was also thinking about other options.

“I think you’ve got to communicate through a variety of different ways. You should do the telephone town hall meetings. You should do the town hall meetings. You should do the smaller group meetings,” said Maffei. “It’s important to do things in a variety of ways, so you don’t have one mode of communication.”

I'm too much of a coward to face my constituents face to face with the unpopular crap I'm trying to force down their throats.

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“You’re going to have people of varying views, and in this case, you’ve got the two extremes who were the most vocal,” Maffei said of the flare-up at his July 12 event.

His view of extreme? Moderate and right.  :whatever:

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On Tuesday, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who handles incumbent retention duties for House Democrats in addition to chairing the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, met with freshman members to discuss their plans for the monthlong August recess. While the specific issue of town hall protesters never came up, according to sources familiar with the meeting, he urged them not to back away from opponents.

“He said, ‘Go on offense. Stay on the offense. It’s really important that your constituents hear directly from you. You shouldn’t let a day go by [that] your constituents don’t hear from you,’” said one House Democratic leadership aide familiar with the meeting.

That's right, because the voice of opponents really don't matter. What matters is you are the other team, the enemy(offense) and you have to keep ramming it home to them until you win. Nice!

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But Democrats are quick to point out they’re not the only ones facing hostile audiences. They single out Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.), who found himself in a confrontation earlier this month with a “birther” protester, and insist that Republicans face a backlash of their own if it appears the party is too closely aligned with tea party activists or other conservative-oriented protesters.

“It’s a risk that they align themselves with such a small minority in the party
,” said Brian Smoot, who served as political director at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the past election cycle. “They risk alienating moderates.”

Yet another smug Dem there at the end who thinks moderates are more likely to align themselves left. Or, look at the language bolded,conservaties are now a 'small minority'. Those who find constitutional issue with this even more so. My goodness this bunch is about as smug and self-serving as they come. Better then half the country, which means some more liberal and moderate squishies too are against this money sucking scheme, yet we are to believe that better then half the country are irrelevant, unruly, 'difficult', don't know what's good for them, and are a 'small minority' of right wing kooks. As long as the media are in this bunches pocket and write articles like this, I can't see us ever pulling back to the country of greatness we once were. That would take unbiased CENTRIST reporting which lets face it is more what FOX is despite the protests it is right. Will never happen. They are either the lone shark that will lead the charge out of this someday or they are doomed to fall under the weight of the propaganda machine. It's really very sad to watch. I just hope I am an old woman and gone before it turns into a full run state machine. My heart is already heavy watching this smug bullshit. We truly have lost all control of this great country. It's been taken over by thieves and liars elected by a horde of greedy and short-sited masses who usually come to regret their temporary insanity that is short-sitedness.

Excuse any errors folks...gotta run for a bit and don't have the time to check it all.

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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2009, 04:53:14 PM »
jtyangel for congress....uh...senate....awh hell, shoot the works, WHITEHOUSE.
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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 05:12:13 PM »
jtyangel for congress....uh...senate....awh hell, shoot the works, WHITEHOUSE.


No, unlike the Ossiah, I know my limits and I have humility. Just painful to watch this go on. And I really loathe smug politicians and liberals seem to take the cake(see Obama and how he just backpedals, but never admits he was wrong); they don't seem to know any bounds to their total lack of humility. They really think they are that great and got there out of some nobility they have among the masses :lmao:

Well, one positive. I know even most of us 'common people' don't like smug dooheads of any kind who swing their weight around like they can do no wrong. This type of attitude will NOT bode well for dems anywhere except in academia or Hollywood(2 other groups who understand smug, self-centerdness).
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Re: Town halls gone wild
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 09:22:47 AM »
Vote 'em all out !  These protestors are not whack jobs, just frustrated constituents who are demanding that their reps listen to them and put country before party.  The Dems are trying to portray them as really scary people who don't know what's good for them.

BTW, where are the war protestors?  Obama's Afghan war is going to hell in a handbasket because he's not given his commanders what they need.....more troops.  I think he knows if this thing escalates, there will be hell to pay with his far left friends. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 09:35:15 AM »
Something Congresscritters of both parties never seem to want to understand is that even though they were elected, that vote is (almost--unless you're a moonbat Dem like Pelosi) never unanimous--i.e., your agenda may not be that of your constituents, and you were elected to represent your district--YOUR ENTIRE DISTRICT, not just the ones who voted for you.

Che-Porter has yet to understand that little fact, and methinks it's going to be a very bitter pill to swallow come next November.
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