Welcome to The Conservative Cave©!Join in the discussion! Click HERE to register.
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
cal04 (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-06-09 09:26 PMOriginal message White House and Hospitals Are Reported to Be Near Deal Source: New York TimesThe Obama administration and major hospital associations on Monday evening were nearing a deal for about $150 billion in cost savings to help pay for an overhaul of the nation’s health care system, with an announcement expected at the White House as early as Wednesday, officials said.If an agreement is finalized, it would be the latest step in an on-going effort by the White House to win concessions from major health industry groups to help pay for legislation aimed at providing health insurance to all Americans. Democrats are hoping to keep the cost of the overhaul at about $1 trillion over 10 years.Earlier this month, the White House announced a “historic agreement to lower drug costs†and the lobby for drug companies, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, said it had pledged $80 billion over 10 years to help Democrats in the efforts to improve the health care system.Earlier this month, the White House announced a “historic agreement to lower drug costs†and the lobby for drug companies, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, said it had pledged $80 billion over 10 years to help Democrats in the efforts to improve the health care system.Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/health/policy/07hospi... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------DEVELOPINGfrom Washington Posthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/?nid=top_news Nation's Hospitals Agree to Forego $155B in RevenueThe nation's hospitals have agreed to give up $155 billion in expected revenue over the next 10 years, money that will bring the White House closer to its goal of paying for broader health coverage, an industry source said tonight. The agreement is between the White House, the Senate Finance Committee and the three major hospital groups: the American Hospital Association, the Federation of American Hospitals and the Catholic Health Association. The hospital groups have agreed to reductions in Medicare payments, and the money they receive for providing uncompensated care will start being reduced.
nightrain (389 posts) Mon Jul-06-09 09:41 PMResponse to Original message 1. let's see what RN/patient ratios drop to now!
Laelth (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-06-09 10:05 PMResponse to Original message 2. This makes me want to pull my hair out. Since when do "We the People of the United States" have to make deals with hospitals? We are a Republic. Our legislature ought to be able to pass any law it sees fit to pass. Neither the legislature not the executive branch should have to "make a deal" with any corporation that is chartered under the laws of any of the 50 states. The states allow corporations to exists. The state should never have to bargain with corporations. NEVER.If you need proof that our republican form of government is dying, here it is. Even with a Democratic administration, "We the People" must barter with our oligarchs.-Laelth
scentopine (156 posts) Mon Jul-06-09 11:31 PMResponse to Reply #2 5. Bush II ushered in the CEO model of government and Obama seems comfortable with this. There is a misconception that republicans, MBAs and corporate businessmen are serious and disciplined and that this is somehow the proper model for an efficient and effective government.So we have endowed large corporations (i.e. placed our trust in their seriousness) with new super-citizen privileges including extraordinary rights, judicial protections and policy control unavailable to the public. In the corporate model of government, super-citizens (i.e brokerage houses, huge corporations and executive directors) hold preferred shares and extra voting power.The public is sort of a cross between employee and common stock holder who pays retail. Sure - we get to vote on the board of directors but our vote is completely meaningless since common shares have diluted voting power. The board's nominees are all buddies so a change isn't really a change. And, like most retail customers, our return on investment (i.e. taxes) has been less than spectacular. Our investment contributions have been diverted into a system designed by huge corporations to benefit huge corporations. So, capitalism, in this case, is working exactly as designed. Health care "reform" won't be any different in this regard. The industry is simply designing the system which can make a small number of people extremely wealthy - whether its health care or jelly beans. We see how well this model worked for Goldman Sachs and other huge wall street firms, so its only natural for the health care industry to do the same. In the end, a few massive companies will roll in cash while screwing over the public, all to end in 10 years with another massive bailout for the same group of companies. We will prove once again that without any concern for the health of the nation, capitalism, with extreme prejudice, does in fact make some people very, very, rich and a whole lot of people very, very sick.
quidam56 (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-07-09 12:06 AMResponse to Original message 7. Quality health care in TN & VA As a former health care giver, I am shocked and sad to see what is called quality health care in TN & VA. Clearly PROFIT CARE is more important than PATIENT CARE. We must have public option NOW. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 How many more innocent people will die for greed ? The very health care system we trust and depend on keeping us healthy is infecting our communities with MRSA ( Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureas )
nightrain (389 posts) Mon Jul-06-09 09:41 PMResponse to Original message1. let's see what RN/patient ratios drop to now!
The Obama administration and major hospital associations on Monday evening were nearing a deal for about $150 billion in cost savings to help pay for an overhaul of the nation’s health care system, with an announcement expected at the White House as early as Wednesday, officials said.
If an agreement is finalized, it would be the latest step in an on-going effort by the White House to win concessions from major health industry groups to help pay for legislation aimed at providing health insurance to all Americans. Democrats are hoping to keep the cost of the overhaul at about $1 trillion over 10 years.
Only one thing that will lower healthcare costs in this country, TORT REFORM!
That should have been the starting foundation, yet I have not heard it mentioned at all.
