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TexasTrue (11 posts) Sun Jun-28-09 03:58 AMOriginal message Whores on Terror: Never mind the waterboarding, here's the sodomy "Yasser tearfully described that when he reached the top of the steps 'the party began…They started to put the of the rifle the wood from the broom into . They entered my privates from behind.'...Yasser estimated that he was penetrated five or six times during this initial sodomy incident and saw blood 'all over my feet' through a small hole in the hood covering his eyes."–Physicians for Human Rights, Broken Laws, Broken Lives: Medical Evidence of Torture by US Personnel and Its ImpactWaterboarding. It’s all we seem to discuss when comes to American torture. Whenever you see people discussing "enhanced interrogation" on your TV, chances are they’ll be throwing around the same tired arguments, all revoling around waterboarding. Why, of all the things we’ve done to our suspected (and not-so-suspected) terrorist detainees, is waterboarding the issue? Why confine the rapidly dwindling debate to that single technique? We’ve engaged in a lot of other practices that qualify universally as torture. Are sleep deprivation or "Palestinian hanging" not controversial enough? Is solitary confinement too mundane?How about sodomy? Is that something we consider unremarkable?"This is highly consistent with the events Amir described, including a traumatic injury and subsequent scarring process. Examination of the peri-anal area showed signs of rectal tearing that are highly consistent with his report of having been sodomized with a broomstick."–Physicians for Human RightsThat’s right, sodomy. Forcible anal penetration. The documentation of this and other forms of sexual humiliation is too extensive to be denied or pawned off on a couple of redneck privates. And we know now that sexual humiliation techniques were among those discussed and approved by the National Security Principals Committee, a White House group including Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, George Tenet, and John "History will not judge this kindly" Ashcroft.I don’t want to come off as minimizing the horror of controlled drowning. It’s just that there’s something about forcible anal rape that brings the torture issue into sharp focus. Just once, I’d like to hear one of these American Enterprise Institute psychos, the ones that always trot out to defend the Neocons’ freakish obsessions, have to defend shoving a flashlight up a guy’s ass. I want to hear Frank Gaffney or Jonah Goldberg tell me why I shouldn’t be ****ing mortified that raping prisoners was considered within tolerable interrogation practices by my country. I want Glenn Beck to justify butt-raping a suspect.The next time I hear some idiot refer to Jack Bauer in defense of torture, I want to ask him what he thinks of Jack Bauer rogering terrorists with a broomstick. You’ve never seen that in the hours of not-so-subtle pro-torture TV drama we’ve seen since 2001, have you? Never saw Andy Sipowicz cornhole a skell on NYPD blue? Or Michael Chiklis on The Shield making a suspect drink his pee? Me neither. Something tells me that might have hurt their ratings."He also recalled having been forced to wear soiled underwear, often for weeks or months at a time. 'I had diarrhea and I was in handcuffs. I was making my toilet in my underwear and I was very dirty. That was very painful.' ...When he asked to see the doctor he was told that 'we brought a medicine to you.’ Laith explains that, in fact, 'They brought to me bottles urine and told me if you do not drink these now we will bring your mother and sisters. Because I was hearing the voices of women and children, I drank it. I was in handcuffs and they poured the urine and sometimes I vomited from that but when I vomited they kept on pouring on my head … I died at that time.' He said that he was forced to drink urine from the soldiers on eleven different occasions."–Physicians for Human RightsThe key to winning the debate on torture is to eradicate any illusions about just what this was, which is sick, twisted, and freakish beyond any usefulness in gathering information. And it becomes very clear in the light of a rectally inserted lightstick. Raise the specter of White House-authorized sexual abuse, and anyone who doesn’t shrink away from defending it will be doomed to be remembered as the guy who defended ass-rape and forced urine-drinking, which is the very least an American should suffer for trying to justify brutally raping prisoners.But no one will pull the trigger. Even as more proof is revealed, nobody seems to mention the sodomy. The torture debate is limited to waterboarding alone. Why? Forget the 48 photos Obama has flipped on releasing (like the putz he’s turned out to be). There are known photos—you can see them at Salon.com—of a female prisoner being raped, and a male. Not to mention the kinky naked slave-stacking and forced masturbation--and the prisoner with a banana up his ass.We blared Metallica at them 24 hours a day while they shat themselves, chained to the floor. We kept them in coffin-sized boxes for hours on end. We hung them from the ceiling. We made them jack each other off. We beat some of them to death. Many have lost their minds. Some these people were guilty of nothing but being in Afghanistan or Iraq and being swept up as part of an intelligence “mosaic.â€"Perhaps most important are the anal scars that were observed. Not only are these scars highly consistent with anal trauma (i.e., as would result from forced sodomy or penetration with an object), these scars are in a location where accidental injuries would not occur."–Physicians for Human RightsThe inevitable dunderhead response, "they beheaded our people," is a sickness unto itself. From Abu Ghraib to Gitmo, we’ve suffered countless such humiliating comparisons, judging ourselves by the lowest standards current events can offer. Sorry, but it is not enough to say we aren’t as bad as Saddam Hussein or the scumbags that killed Daniel Pearl. The very idea that we should measure our own conduct by theirs is a total failure of self-respect. Only the worst kind of scumbag can excuse himself by saying, "I’m incrementally better than the Taliban.""These brainstorming meetings at Guantanamo produced animated discussion. 'Who has the glassy eyes?' Beaver asked herself as she surveyed the men around the room, thirty or more of them. She was invariably the only woman in the room, keeping control of the boys. The younger men would get excited, agitated, even: 'You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas.' "–Phillipe Sands, Torture Team: Rumsfeld’s Memo and the Betrayal of American ValuesWhat’s so sick about it is that the sexual nature of the torture seems so unnecessary. I mean, even if we were going to torture them, we could have stuck to waterboarding, pulling some fingernails or just beating the shit out of them. But menstrual blood smeared on their faces? Ass rape? What kind of people do that? What possible purpose does that serve that outweighs becoming known as the country that ass-rapes people? We couldn’t get enough answers, or false confessions, or whatever we were looking for, from regular brutality? We had to go all BDSM on these people?The upshot is this: America is the country that rapes its prisoners. We’re sex criminals. That’s our thing now. And Obama’s refusal to "look back," i.e. prosecute these incredibly serious crimes, ensures that it’s our permanent legacy. No national reputation can survive this simply by shrugging it off. We used to be seen as a bastion of freedom and decency around the world. That shit is over, folks. We’re like the Soviet Union with better movies now. When we talk about human rights, we are an international joke.And when we talk about torture, we stick to waterboarding, because nobody, not even the "liberals," are willing to face what we’ve done. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/22497
Democracyinkind (731 posts) Sun Jun-28-09 04:30 AMResponse to Original message 5. A good occasion to feel ashamed. What those people did IN OUR NAMES. No, no, no, no! Not even my worst enemies! Not even Satan himself! NO, no, no! WRONG; WRONG; WRONG!
NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-28-09 08:25 AMResponse to Original message 10. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C said it best over five years ago http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main6163... May 7, 2004 Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.Notice there was never any followup questions from our liberal media about this? Not one.Like who was being raped and murdered and who was doing the raping and murdering?Not even Frank Rich would dare ask that question. That is why we are all screwed. We don't have a free media. Government owned from top to bottom. Some people just don't want to admit it.Don
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-28-09 04:20 AMResponse to Original message 4. Welcome to DU, TexasTrue. And to answer your question from another thread, no, it's not always like this here.
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-28-09 11:55 AMResponse to Reply #17 24. Last I heard, long ago, 280,000 male-on-male rapes in prison every year -- and imagine much more.This is the right-wing in action and I've never seen them pass up a situation to exploitanother human being. Heaven knows what is really going on in our prisons -- torture issomething that prisoners mention. Drugs, gun-running . . . prisons as a way to supplynew victims for sexual abuse?This is the madness of patriarchy -- and its homphobia - it's hatred for women.
DUmmy TexasTrue, as a DUmp newbie, has seriously misjudged. He doesn't understand his DUmp audience. His phantasmagorical tale of torture, by most of his new DUmmy colleagues, would be considered erotica.
I have a friend that actually worked there (Abu Ghraib). He said the prisoners were buttsexing the hell out of each other all of the time. He said that the guards were so grossed out that they didn't even want to go near the cells.
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-28-09 11:55 AMResponse to Reply #1724. Last I heard, long ago, 280,000 male-on-male rapes in prison every year -- and imagine much more.This is the right-wing in action and I've never seen them pass up a situation to exploitanother human being. Heaven knows what is really going on in our prisons -- torture issomething that prisoners mention. Drugs, gun-running . . . prisons as a way to supplynew victims for sexual abuse?This is the madness of patriarchy -- and its homphobia - it's hatred for women.
I'm trying to figure out what the right (or left for that matter) has to do with prison rape. What do men buggering each other in prison have to do with patriarchy, homophobia, and misogyny? Mostly it's a lack of other options thus they use the orifices available to them. And wouldn't this promote homosexuality? It's not like they're busing in ho's and having anal sex with them even though there's a perfectly good ***** available. I'm still trying to figure out where the hatred of women fits. What in this situation would have to change for this to be a woman-promoting situation?Cindie
