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Offline franksolich

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trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« on: June 18, 2009, 07:06:49 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=224x3525

Oh my.

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tridim  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-03-09 07:05 PM
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Talked to some lawyers today, and am now convinced that contracts are worthless.
 
This is in reference to my post last month..

"I terminated a work contract 30+14 days ago and need some free legal advice"

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Every lawyer I spoke to said I had an open and shut case, they all said I'd win easily.

They also said I'd most likely never recover my money.

Wait, what??

The guy I'm suing owns a $450,000 house, yet all he apparently has to do is shut down the company, declare bankruptcy and walk away. Game over for me. I'm out my legal and lawyer fees and get nothing.

Well my friends, that is unacceptable. What is the point of a contract if it never has to be paid?

I've lost all hope and will now be homeless if I can't find a new job in the next 20 days. This ****er STOLE $34,000 from me and he's going to walk. Not because he has expensive lawyers (he doesn't), but because the law is stacked against the worker. I feel like I will never be able to sign a contract again.

**** this legal system. It's worthless.

In reference to the boldened phrase above, one gets what one pays for.

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aquart  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-03-09 07:26 PM
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1. Try one of those TV ombudsmen.

Or your state's wages and hours office. Although I don't know if they would deal with contract labor.

Did you contact your local representatives? State and city government people? Next year we have local elections which should make them helpful, and letters from them have occasionally worked wonders.

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tridim  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-03-09 07:55 PM
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4. One lawyer I spoke with was one of those TV lawyers

At least he sounded like one.

He cut me off 5 seconds into my story and said, "Come on in, bring your contract and $750 dollars. I'll get you 3 times what you're owed".

I haven't tried the state rep idea, but I talked with all the government based labor agencies I could find and none of them deal with contract employment. Apparently we don't exist.

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northzax (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-03-09 07:34 PM
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2. who was your contract with?

a person or a corporation? if it's a corporation, well then, yeah, that's the breaks, if the firm goes away and likely has no assets, you won't see a red dime. if it's with the person, you can take it from them.

this is why, in my consulting days, I operated my own LLC that I was a proprietor of, this way my clients and I were on the same legal footing.

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tridim  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-03-09 07:51 PM
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3. The contract is with my employer of 7 years

The contract itself is only a year old, written when the company restructured.

I only took deferred payment because I was promised at the time that "new funding was secured" and regular paychecks were only "a week away". I know now that verbal agreements are as worthless as contracts.

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varkam  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jun-13-09 05:03 AM
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5. Did he not pay you anything?

If not, I'm understanding why you can't sue him off the contract in quantum meruit and attach his house - but then again, I'm not an attorney. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Oh, and you're right - a lot of contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 07:52:19 AM »
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I haven't tried the state rep idea, but I talked with all the government based labor agencies I could find and none of them deal with contract employment. Apparently we don't exist.

Contract law, be it agreements for employment, or virtually anything else, are a large portion of first-year law school.  You, DUmmie, can't even come up with a decent bouncy.

No cops, no bushes, no conversion.  Zero bongs.  Oh, and a $450K house?  Where, CA?  We have another word for a $450K house in CA--they're called shitboxes.

If recovering $34K was so friggin important to you, you wouldn't be pissing and moaning about getting some legal advice for free.  You'd pay the lawyer the $150-200 per hour or have him work on contingency, especially if you had such a slam-dunk case.  Otherwise, I smell bullshit.
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 08:31:28 AM »
tridim.....you're lucky. Sounds like you're only out your labor. How would you like to be out your labor, your workers labor, fuel cost, equipment wear and tear, insurance, blah, blah, blah and legal fees. And then when you finely get the lien on the property you have to wait for him to die or sell to collect.

Your wonderful liberal government protecting the little guy.....and the not so little.
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 10:00:01 AM »
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I was promised at the time that "new funding was secured" and regular paychecks were only "a week away". I know now that verbal agreements are as worthless as contracts.

This proves you are a ****ing idiot and you deserve to get ripped off.
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 10:22:43 AM »
What does this DUmmie do for a living besides whine? Was it real estate? If so he's whining about 34k while his boss likely lost millions. Call the waaaaaaambulance you greedy little ****!
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 10:25:52 AM »
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Or your state's wages and hours office.
Did you contact your local representatives? State and city government people? Next year we have local elections which should make them helpful, and letters from them have occasionally worked wonders.

What?  No suggestion to call Obama???  The poor naive DUnderheads think the gov't apparatus cares for them and their tales of woe, and can make it all better.  Don't they ever, ever learn?  I mean, I'm serious.  Try calling one gov't office of almost any sort, and you can't even get through, let alone get anyone to give 2 shits about you.  
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 12:52:30 PM »
Investors in GM had a contract too. Auto dealers had contracts too.

Contracts are meaningless in the Obamareich
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 11:27:50 PM »
Quote from: FGL on June 18, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Investors in GM had a contract too. Auto dealers had contracts too.

Contracts are meaningless in the Obamareich
Dang, you beat me to it.  Welcome to the new Soviet, where the Party rules uber alles.
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Re: trident primitive ends up with worthless contract
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2009, 12:25:52 AM »
I've been burnt before, it sucks, and many times there is not much you can do. You just have to keep moving forward.

I been stung for over 10k before, it hurts for a while....and alot of times for smaller amounts.



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