Chemical Castration for Autism - The Latest Atrocity

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I posted this not really so much for the original op but what happens a few posts down! 

varkam  (1000+ posts)        Fri May-22-09 01:46 AM
Original message
Chemical Castration for Autism - The Latest Atrocity
 Neurologica Blog. Steven Novella, MD.
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Mark and David Geier are a father and son team that have been pushing the claim that autism results from mercury poisoning from vaccines. They have produced a string of junk science, denounced by mainstream scientists for terrible methodology, reasoning, and statistics. They portray themselves as mavericks, but in my opinion they are just terrible and dangerous scientists.

Their latest atrocity raises their medical mischief to new levels. For several years now they have been pushing their testoerone hypothesis of autism. They claim, in short, that autism is caused by mercury poisoning, primarily from vaccines. Children with autism, especially boys, have high testosterone, which is partly the cause of their symptoms. But also the testosterone binds to mercury, preventing it from being removed from the body by chelating agents.

They have therefore conducted a study with the drug Lupron in addition to chelation. Lupron is a powerful drug that lowers testosterone levels. It is used for rare disorders associated with premature or high testosterone, or to treat prostate cancer in some men. It is also used as a form of chemical castration for sex offenders.

Each component of the Geiers claims are not only not proven, the scientific evidence is against them. It is pretty clear now from multiple studies that there is no association between mercury or vaccines and autism. Autism is not a form of mercury or heavy metal poisoning. Chelation therapy, which itself is risky, is of not benefit in autism. And high testosterone levels do no cause autism.

More after the jump.
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Here's where tomreedtoon chimes in with his bullshit!

tomreedtoon  (1000+ posts)      Fri May-22-09 04:43 AM
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12. When there is no cure, what the hell do you do?
 Do you simply kill the kids with this incurable curse? Or do you find some treatment that at least protects the rest of society and the psycho kid's family? Which is more humane? Go ahead, class, discuss.
 

How very sensitive of you Tom! ...more

varkam  (1000+ posts)        Fri May-22-09 04:45 AM
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13. Did you really just refer to kids with autism as "psycho(s)"? 
 Sa-weet.
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart -H.L. Mencken
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Why....yes...yes he did!

tomreedtoon  (1000+ posts)      Fri May-22-09 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. More than sa-weet. HON-nest.
 Edited on Fri May-22-09 04:54 AM by tomreedtoon
You ever beaten up by one of them? I didn't think so.

And you didn't answer the question. What do you do when you have a violent psycho whom you can't cure? Do you kill him or give him a treatment that makes him less violent? All right, a third choice not too dissimilar from death; lock him away from the rest of humanity until he dies. Those are your choices, bunky.
 

Soooo! even the Autistic know what an irritating moonbat you are and beat your ass for it? God I would pay big money to see that! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5700813#5701098

[The Village Idiot]

The good old days... definition: Before NBC's Geraldo Rivera used gotcha journalism to scare politicians into closing all the insane asylums.. thereby guaranteeing many new permanent Democrat voters

[franksolich]

Well, actually the reedy tom primitive has a point, but let's keep autism out of this, and think about people afflicted with other things.

When there is no cure for something, what can one do?

I'm thinking again of the mall shooter in Omaha a year and a half ago.

The taxpayers of Nebraska paid $1.25 million over three years so that the kid could get state-of-the-art Beverly Hills or Park Avenue psychiatric services, top-of-the-line psychiatric care, so he wouldn't go out and hurt others and himself.

Well, after all that, he still went out and hurt others and himself.

There has to be a line somewhere. 

[USA4ME]

People with autism are probably the most passive humans on the planet.  In fact, they go out of their way to avoid confrontation.  For one to hit you, the tomreedtoon primitive had to say or do something really nasty and then continue to do it.  Thing is once you get someone with autism so mad they want to beat you up, the adrenaline is flowing and they don't know how to turn it off, which means you're in for a beat down.

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[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Well, actually the reedy tom primitive has a point, but let's keep autism out of this, and think about people afflicted with other things.

When there is no cure for something, what can one do?

I'm thinking again of the mall shooter in Omaha a year and a half ago.

The taxpayers of Nebraska paid $1.25 million over three years so that the kid could get state-of-the-art Beverly Hills or Park Avenue psychiatric services, top-of-the-line psychiatric care, so he wouldn't go out and hurt others and himself.

Well, after all that, he still went out and hurt others and himself.

There has to be a line somewhere. 

Frank. There's quite a difference between a psychotic who goes on a shooting rampage killing many people and an Autistic person beating up a moonbat{God knows I'd like to beat a few of them and i'm not Autistic!}Of course you should lock up or execute dangerous criminals. The thing here is in all actuality the vast majority of Autistic people are actually victims of violence from supposedly sane people. Do Autistics occasionally have violent outburts? Sure they do especially when they have other disorders co-morbidly such as psychosis or schizophrenia! I have a big problem with castrating people for no other reason than they may get violent! The two doctors in question are complete lunatics who have been roundly critisized and proven wrong about the link between autism and excess testosterone by the scientific community!

[franksolich]

Frank. There's quite a difference between a psychotic who goes on a shooting rampage killing many people.....

But good sir, please notice I made that distinction, saying "let's keep autism itself out of the discussion."

There are, obviously, people in this world whose anti-social disorders can't be moderated despite the expenditure of massive blood and sweat of the taxpayers.

The care and treatment of the autistic is probably a better "societal investment" than the subway cat, for example, or the phalloscraping primitive.

So autism isn't in my question at all.

My thoughts are that the reedy tom primitive brought up a good point; what are we to do with the incurables, the psychopaths and sociopaths and people who imagine themselves felines?  How much money, time, and trouble should we spend on them?

Increasingly, it looks as if we can afford to spend less and less, to where the only solution seems to be shoving them in front of a speeding bus on the highway.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

But good sir, please notice I made that distinction, saying "let's keep autism itself out of the discussion."

There are, obviously, people in this world whose anti-social disorders can't be moderated despite the expenditure of massive blood and sweat of the taxpayers.

The care and treatment of the autistic is probably a better "societal investment" than the subway cat, for example, or the phalloscraping primitive.

So autism isn't in my question at all.

My thoughts are that the reedy tom primitive brought up a good point; what are we to do with the incurables, the psychopaths and sociopaths and people who imagine themselves felines?  How much money, time, and trouble should we spend on them?

Increasingly, it looks as if we can afford to spend less and less, to where the only solution seems to be shoving them in front of a speeding bus on the highway.

If they are dangerous and violent you either execute them or lock them up away from society. Chemical castration I will go along with for serial rapists and pedophiles{even though both of these crimes are problems with the psyche and not the sex organs, rape itself has little to do with sex} Or we can stop ***** footing around with the death penalty and make it actually mean something again. No more 20 year stays on death row...one appeal and it's off to the gurney with you! I love this quote from the movie A Time To Kill" "The only thing wrong with the death penalty is that it is not used enough"

[franksolich]

I love this quote from the movie A Time To Kill" "The only thing wrong with the death penalty is that it is not used enough"

I've never been able to find it, but apparently there's something in the Bible, the Old Testament, about how "the rivers ran red with blood because the people refused to exercise justice."

Notice it says "people," or a society, not God.

God gave us judgement; we're supposed to use it best we can.

[MarshallLaw]

God gave us judgement; we're supposed to use it best we can.

Well, that's where it all falls down, of course.


(To quote Slartibartfast from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".)

[AllosaursRus]

the only solution seems to be shoving them in front of a speeding bus on the highway.

Works for me, Coach. I deal with some real wastes of humanity. We could save ourselves a lot of time and money if we just did away with them.

[franksolich]

Works for me, Coach. I deal with some real wastes of humanity. We could save ourselves a lot of time and money if we just did away with them.

Yeah, I know, sir.

It kind of tears me up, being pro-life and all that, but there are limits.

I wouldn't mind too badly if any of the three drek primitives--the skumbag primitive, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the corn syrup primitive--or the les risibles primitive the subway cat, absent-mindedly walked in front of a speeding bus.

Other than, of course, the damage done to the bus.

All other primitives, I give a "pass."

[dutch508]

The good old days... definition: Before NBC's Geraldo Rivera used gotcha journalism to scare politicians into closing all the insane asylums.. thereby guaranteeing many new permanent Democrat voters

God, I hate that ****. For some reason he is the rage on Fox, but all I see is a loud bullying leftist how should be in Gitmo, rather than decrying it.

[AllosaursRus]

God, I hate that ****. For some reason he is the rage on Fox, but all I see is a loud bullying leftist how should be in Gitmo, rather than decrying it.

Know whatcha mean. I think he should have been imprisoned when he gave out the location of the unit he was with in Iraq.

[jtyangel]

I have an autistic son and they can have rages at times, however it is more to do with their inability to switch off or distinguish influences and signals then anything else and it usually comes during extreme stress when they are overloaded sensory wise and they don't usually come on very quickly--the warning signs are there of what is impending, usually in time to get the sensory issues under control. Going with the nutcase(and tomreedtoons) theory, if autistic children have more testosterone, why aren't they more aggressive in general then average boys? Why aren't schools legendary with issues of autistic boys picking fights with other children? Or attacking other children or adults with no provocation? It's because it does not exist. Autism is not a testosterone related issue, it is a neurological related one. My son, at least, has had many blood tests on testing levels of various chemicals. He had no excess of mercury in his body or lead or any of the other dangerous things out there that supposedly contribute to this, however I do have an autistic cousin and an uncle/aunt who I believe is undiagnosed Asberger's. I'm sure tomreedtoon would like to spare the world from my genes as well since I mean the only way to stop hereditary issues is at the source is it not? 


Good to see though that liberals have come full circles from demonizing asylums and the practices that went on in their walls to practically advocating for them again. I'll give that humane hospitals shoudl probably exist again so mental health and neurological issues  where there are no family support aren't left to be abused as homeless on the streets, but manipulation and abuse of their bodies to the extent of chemical castration when they are not sexually abusive or aggressive is a ridiculous suggestion. I'm not surprised though--I consider those with deficiencies like this(autism, mental retardation) to be like the unborn and worthy and in need of our protection. It doesn't surprise me that some Dummies see them as they view the unborn: disposable.

[The Village Idiot]

Well, actually the reedy tom primitive has a point, but let's keep autism out of this, and think about people afflicted with other things.

chemical castration of DUmmies?