Supreme Court to Hear Controversial Reverse Discrimination Arguments

[Chris_]

Supreme Court to Hear Controversial Reverse Discrimination Arguments

WASHINGTON —  The Supreme Court hears arguments today in a Connecticut firefighters' civil rights case that has the potential to change hiring practices nationwide.

The court will weigh whether New Haven's decision to scrap a promotion exam because too few minorities passed violates the civil rights of top-scoring white applicants.

The discrimination lawsuit was brought by 20 white firefighters — one also is Hispanic.

The city argues going ahead with the promotions based on the test results would have risked a lawsuit claiming the exams had a "disparate impact" on minorities.

A federal appeals court in New York upheld a lower court ruling dismissing the lawsuit.

Business interests worry that a decision in favor of the firefighters would force employers to choose whether to face lawsuits from disgruntled white or minority workers.

The court also issues decisions today.

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Hey I know...they could just test and promote without any race issues at all.   

Nah, liberals would never allow that.  Equal opportunity for all is NOT what they want.

[thundley4]

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Hey I know...they could just test and promote without any race issues at all.   

Nah, liberals would never allow that.  Equal opportunity for all is NOT what they want.

Court seems split on reverse discrimination claims
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"It looked at the results and classified successful and unsuccessful applicants by race," said Kennedy, who often frowns on racial classifications, yet is not as opposed to drawing distinctions on the basis of race as his more conservative colleagues.
But where Kennedy saw shades of gray, the rest of the court seemed to view the case clearly in terms of black and white.
The court's conservative bloc seemed inclined to side with the white firefighters. "You had some applicants who were winners and their promotion was set aside," Justice Antonin Scalia said.
The liberals indicated that New Haven did nothing wrong by throwing out the test over concerns that it had a "disparate impact" on minorities in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
A ruling against the city, Justice David Souter said, could leave employers in a "damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation." Souter's comment reflected the concern of business interests who said in a court filing that a decision in favor of the white firefighters would place employers in an untenable position of having to choose whether to face lawsuits from disgruntled white or minority workers.

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Hiring/promotion should be done on a set of rules, without regard to race. When they do away  with the tests like this, they are basically telling the blacks that they are less intelligent than whites.  Let them keep their victim status, and they'll see no reason to improve themselves.

[JohnnyReb]

Why try to improve yourself if seniority is all that matters...uh... wait a minute .....ain't that the same way unions usually work?

[Splashdown]

Nah, liberals would never allow that.  Equal opportunity for all is NOT what they want.

Libs want no part of equal opportunity. It's equal outcome. Bring everybody down to a common crappy level. That's liberal paradise.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Libs want no part of equal opportunity. It's equal outcome. Bring everybody down to a common crappy level. That's liberal paradise.

CORRECTION: You are to be extended every courtesy, privilige and alibi if you are of the proper political persuasion.

[5412]

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Hey I know...they could just test and promote without any race issues at all.   

Nah, liberals would never allow that.  Equal opportunity for all is NOT what they want.

Hi,

A few years ago they wanted to change the law regarding discrimination.  It read something like you cannot discriminate against.....and they named all the victims of discrimination.  They wanted to change the wording to you cannot discriminate FOR OR AGAINST....  Jesse Jackson and friends went ballistic and the bill never got out of committee.  Basically they do not want equal treatment.....even when it has brought about major changes in America.

In another thread I mentioned that over the last 35+ years I travelled all over the world and served 40 of the top 500 US corporations.  The last 10-15 years, I will tell you that those corporations bent over backwards to help minorities along, get educated and qualified for not only their current positions, but also positions up the ladder.  I never saw or heard one word about folks being discriminated against.  Unlike when I was in my 20's ad 30's, there really was no discrimination that I saw.

That does not mean they were not sued for racial discrimination, because they were several times.  More often than not, they took the case to court and were found not guilty, the suit had been brought forth by an employee who was not doing their job, had been warned several times (and well documented so they complied with the law) and the behavior did not change and they got fired.  Because they were minorities they could sue and likely did not have to pay legal fees, the ACLU and NCAAP would pick up the tab.  For awhile it was almost automatic, fire a minority and you knew a lawsuit was coming.

As the cases went along it became clear, more often than not they (meaning the ACLU etc.) would offer to settle out of court.  In the early days corporations would do that because it was cheaper than going to trial.  Finally they realized that it was nothing more than a giant shakedown and decided to go to court and in most cases they won.  They had to do that to stop the stupid lawsuits that every minority would file if they got fired.

What the reaction from Jesse and friends told me was this.  Their goal never was equality, they wanted preferential treatment and they are not about to give that up, no matter what gains they have made, Jeramiah Wright has made his point loud and clear, it aint enough!

regards,
5412

[Chris]

I had to deal with a guy at a company I worked for a few years ago.  This guy had been though a series of transfers for his poor job performance and questionable behavior and wound up with a very cushy and desireable job in the network services department.  Scuttlebutt in the office (even according to a very liberal co-worker) was that the guy was entire unsuited to the job but got shuffled around the company on the threat of suing the company with a racial discrimination lawsuit.  My only interaction with the man was when he erased the entire DNS database for our service center with over 2,000 employees during a DHCP conversion.  He was, allegedly, sleeping with the cleaning lady or a cafateria employee instead of actually doing his job.