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US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« on: January 26, 2009, 05:15:10 PM »
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US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - President Barack Obama's administration will engage in "direct diplomacy" with Iran, the newly installed U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Monday.

Not since before the 1979 Iranian revolution are U.S. officials believed to have conducted wide-ranging direct diplomacy with Iranian officials. But U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice warned that Iran must meet U.N. Security Council demands to suspend uranium enrichment before any talks on its nuclear program.

"The dialogue and diplomacy must go hand in hand with a very firm message from the United States and the international community that Iran needs to meet its obligations as defined by the Security Council. And its continuing refusal to do so will only cause pressure to increase," she told reporters during a brief question-and-answer session.

Her comments, reflecting Obama's signals for improved relations with America's foes after eight years under President George W. Bush, came shortly after meeting with Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on her first day in her new job.

Iran still considers the U.S. the "Great Satan," but a day after Obama was sworn in, said it was "ready for new approaches by the United States." Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said his country would study the idea of allowing the U.S. to open a diplomatic office in Tehran, the first since 1979.


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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 05:23:34 PM »
They are probably hoping to get the same kind of deal Kim Jong-Il got from Albright (Free nuke tech and only a stern warning if used improperly, according to negotiated terms).
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 06:14:00 PM »
Well, it seems the terrorists have been given yet another gift. And have demonstrated a lesson worth noting: Wait long enough and you don't even have to engage in direct war. With a Democrat, liberal and leftist in control, the U.S. will come to you, regardless of what you've done to it.

The terrorists and imams and whoever-elses-of-the-murderous-bent around the Muslim world must be doing their bet ROTFLMAO routines.

If Obama has done all this in less than a week in offce, including his stupidty about Gitmio, wonder what his first month will be like? Will we even make to his first anniversary in office before the attacks on us have happened, or full surrenders have begun by him for whatever reaon(s)?

But he wants to put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan, though? I guess that'll be to counterbalance his capitulations elsewhere.
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 06:51:37 PM »
Read : http://www.inplainsite.org/html/imam_mahdi.html

and

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

ur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
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Negotiating with this bunch will prove what. Result in what? Bad idea by someone who knows better, if he is indeed a Christian.

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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 12:49:31 AM »
Read : http://www.inplainsite.org/html/imam_mahdi.html

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http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

Negotiating with this bunch will prove what. Result in what? Bad idea by someone who knows better, if he is indeed a Christian.

At best, Barack Hussein Obama is a pretend-Christian, a Christian in name only.

With his outlook on the family -- that is, his acceptance of the homosexual agenda -- and his ghoulish leading of the war against the unborn and some just-born, just to name two things, he cannot be a Christian.

But, then, that depends on how you define Christian.

Under his gospel, which he learned well at TUCC, God does not even exist if He is anything other than black.

Obama fears what should now be called "orthodox" Christians, not "conservative" Christians or the Religious Right. He knows they will not bend, but will challenge his heresy and apostasy.

He chose Rick Warren, I'm guessing, just to appease the evangelical/Pentecostal Christians. Little does he know that his move was so transparent.

Not that any Christian is perfect, mind you, though. Far from it. But there are a few fundamentals, like loving each other as you'd like to be loved that Christ Jesus said would fulfill all the law. The other? Love God with everyhting you are.

IF Obama applied that test, just that one of loving others as he would like to be loved, to his current position on the unborn, were he a Christian, he would see that he fails.

But regarding Islam, he, like seemingly most politicians on either side of the aisle, fears calling the proverbial spade, a spade: The current War on Terror translates to Western civilization, but particularly Judaism and Christianity, as the target(s) Islam wants to destroy. 

Their goal is to subvert everyone who is not Muslim or kill them.

That doesn't fit nicely into the image that even President Bush helped crate of Islam as the so-called "religion of peace."

Right, if you live in an upside-down reality in which left is right, up is down and front is back.

Personally, I don't think Obama has the steel in his spine, if any, or the advisors who know enough and with similarly steeled spines, or that Obama has the humility to even listen to anyone for him to deal wth Islam as it should be dealt.

His stupidity on Gitmo and interrogation techniques sent a huge positive signal to terrorists. You'd think he had at least enough sense or savvy to know that.

For  sure, if he cannot identify who is an enemy of America, he cannot defend the country and the Constitution, can he?
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 01:29:28 PM »
Redstate,

Of course, we agree completely. My decision to post the "P of D" and Qur'an Surah is because of the PC effort to moderate that "document". As you know, yhe Qur'an was handed down directly to Muhammed by Allah, or so believers will say. Muhammed, a supposed illiterate, dictated the document to "deciples".

So, in order to have a life story for Muhammed , the Hadith was created. This document gives form and shape to an otherwise completely unknown "Prophet". Without a "Prophet" to hand down the Qur'an from God, where did it come from?

Interestingly, Muslim legends as codified in the Hadith, there is NO written / historical evidence of Muhammed.

Not a single document anywhere.

Where as Jesus ths thousands of independent references, even Siddhartha has independent reference.

So, you see, there is a deep and perverse decision by and in the ranks of the PC to pretend othwerwise. Shared by the MSM, never a question there, is there?

Anyway, in order to discredit the islamofascists completely, the document must be discredited, and reminding the public of the many bloodthirsty Surah is required.

Interestingly, about the only sect of Islam that can reasonably be expected to survive a complete "outing" of Islam is the Suni offshoot, Sufism. The oriental mystics. Of course, they are dispised by the "traditional " muslims and considered apostates by the Shia (especially the  "Twelvers").

Wwe are in for a rough ride, clearly destined to be MUCH ROUGHER, during and imediately after the Obama Administration. 

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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 01:40:54 PM »
Of course, you miss the entire historical fact that the arabic culture during the time of mohammad's life was based on verbal passings of tradition and history.

Or the fact that the oral storytelling was done in a poetic form, rather than in a realistic way?

It's kind of like saying that Homer's stuff and the people there in don't have a contemporary reference and so they couldn't be real.
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 02:42:17 PM »
Historical references to indivuiguals goes back to Hammurabi and the Messopotamia civilizations. Some Still survive in the original form.

So, if the tradition was "oral" why was the Qur'an delivered in book form from Allah accordint to their tradition? What happened to thisd gift to man from Allah?

Further, this was well into written languages being known "world wide" and Muhammed's life was supposedly born AD 470 died AD 632. Yet, there are no third party references, are there. This was, supposedly a man who raided widely, slaughtered widely, including his own tribe at Mecca, and the evidence is that there was no PERMINAT settlement there. Only a crude pagan temple that is now the center of Islam. A temple to the many gods on the area including al-Illah, often refered to as Allah.

It is 200 years + - before the Qur'an  and Hadith saw "paper". The Bible and the New Testament have in excess of 20,000 written references within the first century AD. From many and varried sources. Check Asimov on the New Testament done as pure research by an independent thinker (one far brighter than I).

We could go back and forth forever on this, suffice to say that my conclusion is that Muhammed is a complete fabrication by land pirates to give themselves a "Holy" cover for their inhuman bloodlust.

You are free to believe Muhammed was an actual persom. You can even believe that the 12th Imam is "real".

 

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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 03:03:02 PM »
Look, ****nuts. You stated muhammad couldn't be real and I gave you a historical background as to why there would not be written evidence in Arabic culture that is contemporary to his life. You can be as stupid as the anti-christian shits who claim Jesus never lived because there is no birth certificate, if you want too, but don't think you can simple apply modern cultural norms to the past.

Second, Tradition holds that muhammad dictated the koran after he'd traveled to Jerusalem, and was exposed to the written word of God by the Hebrews and Christian sects present there. You don't think, for example, that maybe he got the idea from that source, since the whole old testament seems to be lifted for islam?

Third, how was a illiterate person supposed to write the story down except through a scribe?

Finally, you haven't a clue who I am or what I think so feel free to continue to spout nonsense and claim it as intellectual research... how did you put it:

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suffice to say that my conclusion is that Muhammed is a complete fabrication


suffice to say my conclusion is that you are a complete retard.

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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 03:06:41 PM »
Oh, I forgot to add, Both Babylon and Mesopotaimia are not Hisorical Arabic nations. Why don't you just claim that since the Assyrians didn't talk about muhammad it's all a lie?

Better yet, since the Han Chinese didn't write down Peter's testimony, the whole Christian faith is a hoax?
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
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Re: US envoy predicts 'direct diplomacy' with Iran
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 05:56:13 PM »
As I said, you are free to believe anything you want. Instead of mindless name calling, post a link to something that demonstrates that Muhammed was a physical person.

Consider:
"The chances of authentic material surviving at their hands is exceedingly small. Indeed, in purely statistical terms it is minute. Bukhari is said to have examined a total of 600,000 traditions attributed to the Prophet; he preserved some 7,000 (including repetitions), or in other words dismissed some 593,000 as inauthentic. If Ibn Hanbal examined a similar number of traditions, he must have rejected about 570,000, his collection containing some 30,000 (again including repetitions). Of Ibn Hanbal's traditions, 1,710 (including repetitions) are transmitted by the Companion Ibn Abbas. Yet, less than fifty years earlier one scholar estimated that Ibn Abbas had only heard nine traditions from the Prophet, while another thought that the correct figure might be ten. If Ibn Abbas has heard ten traditions from the Prophet in the years around 800, but over a thousand by 850, how many had he heard in 700, or 632? Even if we accept that ten of Ibn Abbas' traditions are authentic, how do we identify them in the pool of 1,710? We do not even know whether they are to be found in this pool, as opposed to that of the 530,000 traditions dismissed on the ground that their chain of authorities were faulty. Under such circumstances it is scarcely justified to presume Hadith to be authentic until the contrary has been proven."

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"Due to the extreme unreliability of these biographical materials concerning Mohammed, and the ahadith upon which the large portion of this biography is based, the quest for Mohammed must be directed away from polemical and often self-serving traditional accounts and towards the evidences provided by archaeology and from the accounts of observers who were closer to the fact than the later Muslim biographers and tradition-makers. We must understand that there is actually very little real evidence for Mohammed, at least as a "prophet" and religious leader. Concurrently, practically everything in the traditional account of the rise of Islam which has been pieced together from the Muslim traditions is not substantiated by evidential facts."

and
"From evidence unearthed in the sands of Palestine and other areas of Al-Shams (an Arabic term for the Syria-Palestine region), it appears that when the desert Arabs began to infiltrate Syria and the surrounding regions in force beginning in the first decade of the 7th century, they were still largely pagan, though many had adopted some form of Christianity, Judaism, or Abrahamism. The religion of the Arabs that eventually became Islam developed over the next century or so after the Arab takeover of Syria, Palestine, and Mesopotamia. Further, this development initially began in these regions, and was later given a redacted origin in the Hijaz, where Mecca and Medina are located."

concluding
"Even the Qur'an bears witness to the sinless perfection of Christ. In Surah 19:19, the angel speaks to Mary concerning her son to be born, Jesus. "He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son" (Pickthal translation). Muslims, both from the record of their own book, and from the record of the holy Scriptures of the Bible, which they are bound by the Qur'an to accept, must acknowledge and admit the sinless, perfect purity of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Thus, we see between Islam's Mohammed and the Lord Jesus Christ a sharp contrast. On the one hand, Mohammed, a man who killed, fornicated, coveted, and betrayed the trust of those with whom he had made a pact of peace. On the other hand, the Lord Jesus Christ, whom nobody, not even His bitterest enemies, could lay a charge to His account. While Mohammed went out to make war, Jesus Christ came from God to make peace, peace between sinful man and the holy God. "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ..." (II Corinthians 5:18). The record is clear, and the observer can clearly see which it was that was of God, this being Jesus Christ."

from this
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch5.html

Less polite:
http://skeptically.org/enlightenment/id3.html


and there's this:
"It is obvious that if the Meccans had been middlemen in a long-distance trade of the kind described in (traditional Islamic) literature, there ought to have been some mention of it in the writings of their customers... who wrote extensively about the south Arabians who supplied them with aromatics. (Despite) the considerable attention paid to Arabian affairs there is no mention at all of Quraysh (the tribe of Mohammed) and their trading center (Mecca), be it in the Greek, Latin, Syraic, Aramaic, Coptic, or other literature composed outside Arabia ." (p. 134)

"We don't know about the Myth of Mecca because we are afraid to. We, Americans and Westerners and participants of civilization, have been intimidated and frightened into examining the historical truth regarding Islam. Dare to criticize Islam and some crazed ayatollah will issue a fatwah calling for your death. Well, if there is one thing that we must learn from The Atrocity is that we cannot, we dare not be afraid any longer. The Atrocity was committed exclusively by Moslems in the name of Islam. True enough, President Bush, in his magnificent speech to Congress, said their actions blaspheme and insult Islam. But throughout the Arab world, from cafes in Beirut and Cairo to the streets of Nablus and Gaza, people laughed and celebrated their religion's slaughter of thousands of Americans. So we should feel no need to refrain from exposing that this slaughter was committed in the name of a make-believe myth."

THIS AT"
http://www.davidstuff.com/historical/mecca.htm

http://www.cephas-library.com/islam_allah_the_moon_god.html

http://radiobergen.org/powergame/islam.html

Get Dr. Robert Morley's book, please.





Do you think it possible that studying something other than Islamic propaganda might give you a clearer vision of the HISTORICAL subject? Do you think that no one who passed thru the Arabian peninsula would ot have recorded the land-pirate of that supposed  effect? Certainly, the Romans, Greeks Eygptians, Persians, etc etc could all write, for several thousand years. None of them would have commented? Please.

Name calling does not further your cause, educating yourself would.