Just a quick question followed by a MAJOR F'n rant

[Rebel]

How much would apples cost if everyone in the country loved apples but there were only 10 growers?

This is what you liberal idiots are going to see with a national ****ing healthcare system. An unlimited demand coupled with a limited supply. It's happening all over the ****ing world with socialized medicine but like the good idiots you morons are, you don't learn from history. In England they're having to prioritize and categorize people because they're running out of money and lack the medical staff to handle the cases. People are having to wait months for needed healthcare. ...but hey, we won't let little things such as facts or history get in the way of your ****ing delusions. 

Here's how it's going to work:

Once socialized healthcare is passed, an unlimited demand will be formed. Doctors and other medical staff will be inundated. They'll try to compensate by increasing costs they will charge to the government. Government steps in and says, nope, you can't do that. Why? Well hell, the government can only pay so much. So, many won't be seen. What will the government have to do? Get more doctors and medical staff. However, these people aren't going to work for free. Doctors go to 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, and an internship and residency that can last more than 4 years. You think they want to sacrifice their time to make 80K a year? Dream on. So, the government will have to pay them what they're actually worth. ...and yes, it could be upwards of a million a year for certain specialists. However, the government isn't going to be able to pay that without increasing taxes. What happens when they try to increase taxes? Well hell, even Barack understands that taxing businesses send jobs overseas. He even used it in one of his speeches about how he was going to bring jobs BACK to the states. So hmmmm, how will they fix this problem of paying the doctors....hmmm.....Oh, I know, they'll start limiting the people that can actually get certain medical attention. Chances are it'll be the elderly and the people that live unhealthy lifestyles that are ****ed. So....instead of it being between you and your doctor, it's the Damn government deciding what your life is worth. WELCOME TO THE USSR PRE-1988.

...and you ****ing dumbass liberals wonder why we don't trust you running anything other than a ****ing Jaeger machine? THIS IS WHY! You idiots are going to cause one of two things, a revolution or the Balkanization of this country. Why? Emotional-based bullshit and politicians pandering to your dumbasses.

Health insurance IS ****ed up. Why? People like John ****in' Edwards and the government getting involved in every aspect. Don't believe that drunk **** from Massachusetts. The government has NOT been a damn bystander. Get the government OUT of the ****ing healthcare business PERIOD!


Other than that, you liberals are about the dumbest mother****ers that ever inhabited this planet. 

[Attero Dominatus]

I agree 100%. Government ****s up anything it touches, and that goes double for healtcare.

Britain's NHS is a grim picture of what universal healthcare will be like here. Long wait queues, sub-standard care, corruption, eugenics (Britain will not treat people who lead unhealty lifestyles). In fact, Hillarycare will be much worse than NHS.

As in any socialist system, you are seen as a burden, not a human being.

[CactusCarlos]

I agree 100%. Government ****s up anything it touches, and that goes double for healtcare.

I cannot fathom how liberals don't understand this.   I want one to tell me about a country where socialized healthcare is working the way they want it to work here. 

[Attero Dominatus]

I agree 100%. Government ****s up anything it touches, and that goes double for healtcare.

I cannot fathom how liberals don't understand this.   I want one to tell me about a country where socialized healthcare is working the way they want it to work here. 

Well you'll be waiting a long time for them to rave about it's "success" because there is no country where socialized medicine actually saves more lives than it kills.

[Lord Undies]

Oh, Y'all are just being silly!  Nothing's gonna change.  All the dynamics will be exactly almost the same.  The only difference is every heath insurance company in the USA will suddenly be out of business. And Hartford, Conn. will be a different city.  And your paycheck will increase because your employer will no longer be taking your share of greedy premiums out of your check.  And you will never want for health again.

You see, nothing will change under the "single payer" system.  Except you will be able to walk into any doctors office, any dental office, any eyecare office and be treated ON DEMAND for free.  All the doctors and labs and facilities will simply bill the government whatever it costs and the government will send them a check right back.  I know you can't see how now, but really, doctors and labs and hospitals and labs will make even more money because they will never be stiffed again.   The government will send them a check for whatever amount is billed.  It's a perfect plan.

One of the side benefits of this perfect plan is all the charity money it will free up.  No need for charity organization in the business of health care.  Danny Thomas, if he was still alive, could take his St. Jude and stick him up his ass.  We won't need him and his "children's hospital" charity.

And that's just the start of all the many many marvelous changes that will take place when almost nothing changes. 

[Rebel]

Shheah, there are already Doctors that don't want to accept Medicaid patients because the damn government doesn't pay. Trust me, I know.

[Hawkgirl]

I hear doctors get their training in Canada for free...then, come to the US to actually get paid for their services...but I hear Canada is offering more incentives for doctors to remain in Canada....paying them more..and taxing their citizens up the butthole...

[Freeper]

Oh, Y'all are just being silly!  Nothing's gonna change.  All the dynamics will be exactly almost the same.  The only difference is every heath insurance company in the USA will suddenly be out of business. And Hartford, Conn. will be a different city.  And your paycheck will increase because your employer will no longer be taking your share of greedy premiums out of your check.  And you will never want for health again.

You see, nothing will change under the "single payer" system.  Except you will be able to walk into any doctors office, any dental office, any eyecare office and be treated ON DEMAND for free.  All the doctors and labs and facilities will simply bill the government whatever it costs and the government will send them a check right back.  I know you can't see how now, but really, doctors and labs and hospitals and labs will make even more money because they will never be stiffed again.   The government will send them a check for whatever amount is billed.  It's a perfect plan.

One of the side benefits of this perfect plan is all the charity money it will free up.  No need for charity organization in the business of health care.  Danny Thomas, if he was still alive, could take his St. Jude and stick him up his ass.  We won't need him and his "children's hospital" charity.

And that's just the start of all the many many marvelous changes that will take place when almost nothing changes. 

Actually the paycheck will not increase. The money that is currently going to insurance premiums would go to the Govt to pay for this.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Actually the paycheck will not increase. The money that is currently going to insurance premiums would go to the Govt to pay for this.

NO IT WON'T, IT'LL BE FREE!!

Hillary, Edwards and Obama said so!

Why do you hate the baby Jesus?

[VelvetElvis]

If you think that dealing with the Health Insurance bureaucrcy is an ordeal, just wait until you get to deal with the Government Health bureaucracy!!  Those guys are PROS!

And when you get turned down for not fitting the "Perfect Citizen Lifestyle" template, to whom do you go to appeal??

(Hint:  They will work in the same incompetent organization that your Health overlords do.  Wonder whose side they'll come down on?)

[dixierat]

I agree 100%. Government ****s up anything it touches, and that goes double for healtcare.

I cannot fathom how liberals don't understand this.   I want one to tell me about a country where socialized healthcare is working the way they want it to work here. 

It's pretty simple really. Liberals, as a rule, are not concerned with the details of how somehting works, just so they get theirs. It's selfishness and observing throuigh blinders or rose colored glasses, plain and simple.

[Chris_]

If you think that dealing with the Health Insurance bureaucrcy is an ordeal, just wait until you get to deal with the Government Health bureaucracy!!  Those guys are PROS!

And when you get turned down for not fitting the "Perfect Citizen Lifestyle" template, to whom do you go to appeal??

(Hint:  They will work in the same incompetent organization that your Health overlords do.  Wonder whose side they'll come down on?)

As I have said, picture the DMV times a thousand with the mortality rate of MLK Hospital in L.A. That's nationalized health care.

[Lord Undies]

Oh, Y'all are just being silly!  Nothing's gonna change.  All the dynamics will be exactly almost the same.  The only difference is every heath insurance company in the USA will suddenly be out of business. And Hartford, Conn. will be a different city.  And your paycheck will increase because your employer will no longer be taking your share of greedy premiums out of your check.  And you will never want for health again.

You see, nothing will change under the "single payer" system.  Except you will be able to walk into any doctors office, any dental office, any eyecare office and be treated ON DEMAND for free.  All the doctors and labs and facilities will simply bill the government whatever it costs and the government will send them a check right back.  I know you can't see how now, but really, doctors and labs and hospitals and labs will make even more money because they will never be stiffed again.   The government will send them a check for whatever amount is billed.  It's a perfect plan.

One of the side benefits of this perfect plan is all the charity money it will free up.  No need for charity organization in the business of health care.  Danny Thomas, if he was still alive, could take his St. Jude and stick him up his ass.  We won't need him and his "children's hospital" charity.

And that's just the start of all the many many marvelous changes that will take place when almost nothing changes. 

Actually the paycheck will not increase. The money that is currently going to insurance premiums would go to the Govt to pay for this.

I like you.  You catch on fast.

[Rebel]

I like you.  You catch on fast.

 

[Chris_]

Geez...nice rant Rebel....and don't forget the quality of health professionals that we are going to get when their earnings are capped at 100 grand a year......its bad enough with "affirmative action" now, who, exactly, is going to go through the training when he/she can make more money as a plumber??

Brace yourselves for doctors for which English is their second or third language.......

doc

[NHSparky]

If you think that dealing with the Health Insurance bureaucrcy is an ordeal, just wait until you get to deal with the Government Health bureaucracy!!  Those guys are PROS!

And when you get turned down for not fitting the "Perfect Citizen Lifestyle" template, to whom do you go to appeal??

(Hint:  They will work in the same incompetent organization that your Health overlords do.  Wonder whose side they'll come down on?)

As I have said, picture the DMV times a thousand with the mortality rate of MLK Hospital in L.A. That's nationalized health care.

King-Drew?  OMFG--that IS nationalized healthcare.  All you need to do it walk through there and you'll swear off any sort of government universal healthcare FOREVER.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

How much would apples cost if everyone in the country loved apples but there were only 10 growers?

This is what you liberal idiots are going to see with a national ****ing healthcare system. An unlimited demand coupled with a limited supply. It's happening all over the ****ing world with socialized medicine but like the good idiots you morons are, you don't learn from history. In England they're having to prioritize and categorize people because they're running out of money and lack the medical staff to handle the cases. People are having to wait months for needed healthcare. ...but hey, we won't let little things such as facts or history get in the way of your ****ing delusions. 

Here's how it's going to work:

Once socialized healthcare is passed, an unlimited demand will be formed. Doctors and other medical staff will be inundated. They'll try to compensate by increasing costs they will charge to the government. Government steps in and says, nope, you can't do that. Why? Well hell, the government can only pay so much. So, many won't be seen. What will the government have to do? Get more doctors and medical staff. However, these people aren't going to work for free. Doctors go to 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, and an internship and residency that can last more than 4 years. You think they want to sacrifice their time to make 80K a year? Dream on. So, the government will have to pay them what they're actually worth. ...and yes, it could be upwards of a million a year for certain specialists. However, the government isn't going to be able to pay that without increasing taxes. What happens when they try to increase taxes? Well hell, even Barack understands that taxing businesses send jobs overseas. He even used it in one of his speeches about how he was going to bring jobs BACK to the states. So hmmmm, how will they fix this problem of paying the doctors....hmmm.....Oh, I know, they'll start limiting the people that can actually get certain medical attention. Chances are it'll be the elderly and the people that live unhealthy lifestyles that are ****ed. So....instead of it being between you and your doctor, it's the Damn government deciding what your life is worth. WELCOME TO THE USSR PRE-1988.

...and you ****ing dumbass liberals wonder why we don't trust you running anything other than a ****ing Jaeger machine? THIS IS WHY! You idiots are going to cause one of two things, a revolution or the Balkanization of this country. Why? Emotional-based bullshit and politicians pandering to your dumbasses.

Health insurance IS ****ed up. Why? People like John ****in' Edwards and the government getting involved in every aspect. Don't believe that drunk **** from Massachusetts. The government has NOT been a damn bystander. Get the government OUT of the ****ing healthcare business PERIOD!


Other than that, you liberals are about the dumbest mother****ers that ever inhabited this planet. 

Please Sticky this and put a link to it at the top of the page.  DUmmies need to see it.

[Lacarnut]

Brace yourselves for doctors for which English is their second or third language.......

doc

The bad part is they get their education FREE along with a subsidy for room and board. Then when they become DR's they will tell us learn to speak spanish gringo or I will not treat you the next time you come in.

[Hawkgirl]

This is starting to happen in Miami....Try going to Hialeah and finding ANYONE who speaks english....Statistically, Spanish is the main language in Miami, followed by english...