http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4351136Oh my.
nosmokes (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 05:41 PM
Original message
Why is the 'eat less meat' message such a hard sell?
Eating is a political act. When you buy the fast food crap and the processed junk in the blahblahblahblah.....
It's a monstrously big bonfire, the primitives squibble-squabbling about food.
The lying Lorien primitive, the primitive who alleged to have eyewitnessed cops chasing black people away from polling places in Florida in November 2000, beating them over the head with billy-clubs, makes a long appearance.
One of the lying Lorien primitive's comments takes half an hour to scroll down.
Apparently the lying Lorien primitive's an ardent vegetarian.
leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-02-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #218
261. damn! I wish I had enough time to read more than the first tenth of that twenty-screen screed.
Another primitive reminescences:
rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-02-08 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #90
205. Zoning took away the rights of people to have livestock in town.
When I was a girl a lot of the people, including my family, raised chickens in our back yard. We also had a garden where we raised our vegetables during the summer. We then canned our vegetables. We gathered eggs every morning and we killed the chickens as we needed them until we got a deep freezer, and then we would raise a group of chickens to capon age and then kill and clean all of them and put them in the freezer for the winter. The whole family would work to pluck and clean the chickens to make them ready.
We also raised rabbits that my father would kill and clean for meat, or would sell them for extra money that we needed. I will not eat rabbit, haven't since about fourteen years old and raised some from birth, but have no problem with eating any poultry meat even though I had pet hens and such. My oldest sister's husband even had a horse or two in town, and at one time a goat and varied other animals. As long as they were kept clean and did not stink, no one ever complained. Now in this area, you can still garden but livestock is out of the question.
Back then we were by all accounts a European immigrant neighborhood although my family was not that. We were pretty self sufficient and only bought the things we could not come up with. My mother made most of our clothes, and we girls learned to make our own dresses as soon as we were about twelve or thirteen.
If you had a small piece of land on the outskirts of town, you usually either raised a couple of pigs or cows that you butchered for personal/family consumption and again as many vegetables as you could. The gardens were called victor gardens back then because that was the name given to them during WWII. Those were the good old days.
The bonfire burns and burns, politics and gayiety getting into the fire, among other things.
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-02-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #197
248. I should have just walked away from this thread when I saw it initially. That would have been better for my blood pressure.
Finally, the low-calorie primitive:
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
28. Fresh vegetables cost A LOT..and canned veggies taste pretty awful
People are "spoiled" by FAST..Millions of younger grown ups today, did not have role models who cooked from scratch, so they think everything comes from a drive up window or from a box, popped into a microwave..
Back when most communities were ringed by farmers, local produce was plentiful & cheap.. those communities are now ringed by foreclosed houses & asphalt, farmers long gone.
We now get to choose from $1.99 apples IN SEASON or $4.99 grapes flown in from Chile.. $2.99 tomatoes year 'round.
We have forever (at least for now ..) changed the way we eat, and it's killing us..and our planet
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Amazing, isn't it?? We pay MORE for stuff grown right here
why? contracts to ship our stuff across the country? My mother used to brag about getting Calif strawberries for less that WE paid right here.. ..
This time of year apples used to be very cheap..same with oranges..not anymore.. we get grapefruit from FL & TX..melons from Mexico...tomatoes from AZ...
the CHEAPEST apples the other day at the store were Galas for $1.79 a pound...
It's Obama's fault. Impeach Obama for causing high grocery prices.
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Now that there are only the two of us, we don't buy much, and I don't shop that often
The only farmer's market I know of is a bit of a drive to another city..and at today's gas prices, it's not cost effective for me to go there, so I just pay the higher prices at the close-by store..and complain
Be sure to complain to Obama.
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Our local grocery added a "Local Organic" section..but it's almost comical
It's as if they searched for the UGLIEST, puniest fruit they could find.. pears the size of a golf ball, & shriveled leathery oranges that are hard as a rock.. the apples look like doll-house apples....and nothing under $3 a lb..
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-01-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. We have many non-meat meals..
Some nights we feel like pancakes or waffles or cheese & crackers & a salad..
We usually eat out twice a week, and the leftovers often provide 2 more "freebie" meals the next day..
I make a lot of soups & one-pan meals with rice or pasta. Often there is little if any meat in them
I can't exaggerate how monstrously big this bonfire is, and so I'll stop here.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-03-08 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #88
355. I get sick too
I can't handle shit-loads of carbs.I don't eat bread,rarely eat potatoes. I can't get protein from soy,body won't absorb it,and allergic to many kinds of beans, they come out the other end in 15 minutes after alot of pain.I can't do vegetarian if If want to be healthy. I think there are others like me.My main health issues are a spine injury and psych and a bit overweight,but no cholesterol ,sugar or other health problems.
My sister ,she went vegetarian,she still is, and she is sick alot,she gets bronchitis. Every time I see her she has it, or a sinus infection or something or she is getting over an infection.She got nerve damage and her skin began to react and form eruptions where her nerves were getting messed up.She changed her diet for emotional and political reasons.Her immune system is ****ed up now,She has irritable bowel,badly,and she is overweight about as much as I am.
She has more physical health issues due to sickness,diet,and the body trying to cope than I do.
